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The awfulness of the forum software.

I'm sure that this issue has be covered before, but seriously... how can an organisation on the cutting edge of distributed computer science not sort this out?!

This forum software is AWFUL!

Case in point:

I click on the "last post" button of my team thread, and it deposits me at the first post of the thread. I then have to click through several pages before I can reach the last post of the thread. There seems to be no other way, and if it's a long thread, this becomes rapidly very tedious.

Maybe I've got it all wrong somehow... but I've posted on many forums before, and in general once you find your way around forum software, you find all the usual useful features.. EXCEPT FOR THE WCG! I have literally never come across such poorly implemented forum software.

Is there a reason for not updating the software? Manpower? Time? Database compatibility?

Please... sort it out. It's an embarrassment.

(Sorry for the rant. I am possibly the slightest bit drunk, and it's really been bugging me for a while now biggrin )
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sad Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

You sure have that right. I still can't find my threads...a real nightmare. And this is the only place that participants can get tech support. It's almost enough to make me want to quit.
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

You don't like Fisher Price forum software? laughing

How's about a switch to vbulletin or something?......At least their stuff is navigable.

Fraz, don't hold your breath......I queried the use of this atrocious board software 2 years ago, and still it's here crying

At least the projects themselves work eh smile

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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

No one at WCG thinks the forum software is a priority and the CA's always say as much in their replies to threads like this. There's always something else that's more important. In the past the argument was that it was more important to roll-out new projects. Now that we have more than enough to keep us busy for months - at least - the forum sw is still on the bottom of the list. No one knows what's on the top of the list since they won't announce anything until they're ready to deploy.

The other argument is that only a small fraction of people that sign up for WCG ever visit the forums. I'm not completely sure that's true any more. I used to believe that but I'd like to see some figures on how many registered members have logged on to the forums at least one in the past 3 months. Since the forum and the boinc/ud databases use the same userid, that shouldn't be hard to do.

But even if it is true, the fact is that there will be a lot more interest in the forums once people start converting to boinc from ud. That's going to be tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. When those people have a question they're going to come here and anyone who is even moderately net savvy is going be . . . well, at least disappointed with the software. There's a huge mass of information here and it's almost impossible to access even if you know what you're looking for. It's pretty pathetic.

But if enough people post their disapproval here and/or one of the suggestions threads, maybe it will get someone's attention.

One can only hope.
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

I click on the "last post" button of my team thread, and it deposits me at the first post of the thread. I then have to click through several pages before I can reach the last post of the thread. There seems to be no other way, and if it's a long thread, this becomes rapidly very tedious

Fraz, unless you are affected by a not-common bug, the "last post" button should put you on the first post of the last page. I agree it is not really the last post but it is far better than the first post of the thread. What is more confusing regarding this function is that the page selection line is wrong and says that you are on page 1 but you must not believe it! smile
Once you know it it is not too difficult to quickly find your way in a thread, except the particular case of when there are only two pages and you would like to scroll back to page 1. sad But even this is manageable with only two clicks.

I don't want to defend this forum software at all, but after a few days it is possible to live with it, as the rather high activity and many long lasting discussions tend to confirm. You would not believe that there are so many masochists participating almost every day on this forum, would you? smile

Cheers. Jean.
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

Hi twilyth,
More projects are being worked on. We have a new Cancer project coming. There are changes in BOINC. The second phase of DDDT is being prepared to run on CHARMM. There are a lot of bugs in ACAH that people are working on. The current (optimistic) schedule has some free time to start working on new forum software early in 2008. But I am well aware that debugging projects might well run over to the time that we need to start on Phase 2 of HCMD.

You are right, we have put new forum software at lower priority than new projects, but it has made the 'bottom' of the list of things that we might actually get to in 2008.

Lawrence

Added: pictures from the recent Pan-Galactic BOINC workshop: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WorkShop07/Summary
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

Added: pictures from the recent Pan-Galactic BOINC workshop

Nice pictures, but WHERE ARE OUR GUYS? smile

Also found there, a very interesting "Boinc and Teams" presentation. But that would certainly deserve a new thread.

Cheers. Jean.
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

You would not believe that there are so many masochists participating almost every day on this forum, would you? smile

Cheers. Jean.

Oh no!!!! One of those "love it or leave it" types. I thought that attitude was exclusive to the "Ugly Americans" - except even here it went out of fashion in the '70's.
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

Twilyth, I find it rather insulting that anyone would think the CAs don't care about the quality of the forum software - particularly since we have been asking for improvements for many years longer than you have, and we have also succeeded in getting many improvements, both for the forums and for the grid in general.

But you ask for numbers - those I can provide. 76541 members have looked at the forums - that just takes a single glance at the index page to be counted. That's 23%. 2240 members have posted more than twice. That's 0.68%. A further 3284 have made one or two posts. That's another 1% (exactly). The vast majority of posts are made by the top 100 posters. As for the value of all these posts - you must make that judgement call yourself. Sadly, I can't break these statistics down by forums.

These numbers are higher (obviously) than the last time I checked, about a year ago. But it still only equates to one or two genuine queries per day.
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Re: The awfulness of the forum software.

Twilyth, I find it rather insulting that anyone would think the CAs don't care about the quality of the forum software - particularly since we have been asking for improvements for many years longer than you have, and we have also succeeded in getting many improvements, both for the forums and for the grid in general.


I'm glad to hear it. But then why is it that every time someone complains about the sw we get the standard response that it is a low priority? If you think the forum is important, then you should support raising it's priority. If you don't think it's important, then don't. You can't have it both ways.

These numbers are higher (obviously) than the last time I checked, about a year ago. But it still only equates to one or two genuine queries per day.


That's a pretty small number - granted. However you have no idea how many people come here as guests looking for answers to a question and leave without ever getting it. Given the "read faq's or don't bother to post" cr@p that one normally gets as a newbie in such venues, I doubt that more than 1% of the people who visit are willing to post.

As WCG goes ahead with the boinc to ud conversion, I'm sure that there will be a significant increase in traffic - either that or the number of users will start to decline. Personally I think there are going to be some heavy losses before the conversion is complete. And for that, if no other reason, the forum should be inviting and accessible. Right now, anyone coming here and expecting to find software similar to what they are used to will be lost. And if that is the first and last time that they visit here, then they really will be lost.
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