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Dale1
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A posting about this project appeared on Slashdot today. However, one of the commenters has an interesting critique of the science. I don't have the background to evaluate his comments objectively, so it would be interesting to hear if one of the project leaders has a rebuttal.
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Sekerob
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The rebuff of another readers to the comments:
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I read all of the posts except the ones that were obvious psycho-babble. The vast majority are from people who seem to know nothing of either grid computing or science. As to the one you referenced, the only valid remark for me is about whether or not it is a true "Cancer Project".
----------------------------------------True, this may not be a "Cancer Project" in every sense of the term but the purpose of the project, what they are trying to accomplish, and how it works is completely and accurately defined in the WCG pages and in the HCC Forum. There is more than enough information for someone to decide if this is a project they want to work on. There is an old saying; "All publicity is good if they spell your name correctly." They spelled WCG and IBM correctly ... good enough for me. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I'll address the technical/methodological criticisms in the post. I already posted a rebuttal in the Slashdot thread, but a response is deserved here.
The first technical criticism is that we have not "carefully select[ed] a machine-learning approach to identify good ways of analyzing images". Image analysis comes first, machine learning comes second. Features are extracted from the raw image first, only then can machine learning tell us which features are predictive, and which are not. This is an iterative process: successful features are then refined and expanded, others rejected, and a new crop of features can then be extracted. Accuracy of the computer vision system is improved at each step. The research leading up to this Grid project passed through several of these iterations. The previous iteration identified several promising families of image features. These have been refined, and expanded upon. We have also included other image analysis techniques shown in the literature to be effective on protein crystallization images. Altogether, these combined methods are those running in the HCC Grid agent. It is our fifth generation feature set. They are not arbitrary, or designed to waste CPU cycles. The second technical criticism is that features derived from Fourier transforms are not included in our set of calculations. Fourier analysis was largely supplanted by wavelet analysis a decade ago. The Slashdot poster also claims we are doing in 5 hours what can be approximated to "~98.5%" in 5 minutes. I invite the Anonymous Coward (Slashdot lingo) to provide a reference supporting the claim. Christian |
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Sekerob
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Hi Christian,
----------------------------------------Seeing your other response, in gest, regarding the 5 minute conspiracy, I'm glad you confirm what most all thought already.... we love multi-purpose crunching.... 5 minutes, instead of 6 hours for Help Conquering Cancer and the other 5:55 hours to recycle black matter.... yesterdays average was 6.14 hours. For a graphical representation on the project so far as part of the x-project performance plots at WCG. Appreciating your prompt debunk very much
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Dale1
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Thanks for the response Christian. Interesting stuff.
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Former Member
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thanks for reply, nice.
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