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Richard Mitnick
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Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

WCG shows 360,799 members on the WCG site.

But, BOINC stats shows only 110,413 WCG users on their site?

Assuming both are correct, why is it taking so long for WCG crunchers to migrate to BOINC?

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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

Hello mitrichr,
The number of registered member names is much larger than the number of active members. Yesterday we received results totaling 80,227 days of CPU time from both BOINC and UD clients. The UD server code was written to just keep on increasing the number of registered members, ignoring whether or not they were active. Once we switch over to all-BOINC, I hope we can adjust the statistics to something more realistic. Of course, when we finally do switch over, we will probably be very busy boarding new projects, so I don't expect quick action on this.
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

A number of years ago I was one amongst the many searching for little green men. After a couple of years, however, I became increasingly disillusioned over the stats. being generated; nothing appeared to add up, which in turn led me to question what was actually being done with the information being crunched. This and my desire to do something a little more real worldly led me to United Devices.

In one the ground floor, so to speak, I was there right at the beginning, watched the agent develop (actually exchanged a few e-mails with Ed Hubbard) and spent several happy years doing things that I hoped would be of some real benefit. Naturally then I was extremely shocked and disappointed at UD pulling the plug, not least because I didn't quite manage to get to the 1,000,000 points mark. (Not great by some standards, but bear in mind that I worked alone on a single computer that was not always on).

Having spent several months grieving and wondering what to do next I finally decided upon joining the World Community Grid, primarily because they were using the UD agent. Now I find that this too is coming to an end, which brings me to BOINC.

Why are so few using it? How about complexity. From the fairly simple interface of UD I now find myself bombarded with a mind boggling mass of stats and options that I have little or no idea about; it's like getting out of a Model T and into a Veyron. In addition, having now briefly browsed the forums, I find there are other idiosyncrasies too. I'm no computer guru (or a driver actually) and as such am now seriously considering whether it's really worth the hassle continuing. I wonder how many other UD users are thinking the same.
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

Once you figure out a bit of it, you will find that BOINC takes care of itself. You don't have to babysit and run jobs one after the other ... just connect to the internet now and then to grab some more work.
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

djy100, have you tried using BOINC Manager in the simple view? The goal of the simple view is to just provide enough information so that you can keep an eye on how things are going, without being flooded with all the technicalities.

If you have any comments on how the simple view can be improved, they will be most welcome.
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

djy100, The BOINC migration decision was made for us by UD. We licensed the software from UD in 2004. In 2005 UD told us that they would no longer be supporting the version we licensed and wanted us to license their new version, 5.x. We did not want to be the first users of 5.x so we told UD that we would consider licensing 5.x if we could see it in action on grid.org. That never happened and now even UD, as a company, is gone. So we've got to get off of the unsupported version of UD.

We're sorry that you've had to go through a lot of churn when all you're trying to do is help by volunteeting your PC. We do hope you stay with World Community Grid.
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

I'm no computer guru (or a driver actually) and as such am now seriously considering whether it's really worth the hassle continuing. I wonder how many other UD users are thinking the same.


I am sure many are. But I hope you and the other UD users give BOINC a chance. It really is a much better platform to crunch from. wink
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Had my rant, now put my teddies back in the pram and carrying on. Still a bit miffed though that after tens tears or so of crunching I've nothing really to show for it.
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

Greetings. smile

Of course you have something to show for it.
You have the knowledge that you have helped make the project, and any others you have run, what they are today.

I hope you will give Boinc a try.....it really is a cinch to use, and once configured everything pretty much does itself.

It really is much less of a hassle than using project standalone clients.

Your contribution is much appreciated smile
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Re: Why so few WCG crunchers using the BOINC agent?

it's like getting out of a Model T and into a Veyron.


That pretty much hits the mark. When BOINC is working, it works very well. It's quiet, unobtrusive and just does its thing.

But, like a modern car, when it goes wrong, there's absolutely no way the average person can tell why. It's appallingly badly documented and the only way to have the slightest hope is to search the web extensively or ask on the forums. eg. There are some figures in client_state.xml which, if somehow incorrect, can stay incorrect forever without human intervention and have totally non-obvious effects which are not documented anywhere. I've been an IT professional most of my life and I find it frustrating and very time-consuming, so one can expect the average user to be totally put off.
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