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shock BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

Seeing as the end for RICE is starting to close in I thought I'd better start really caching up on WU's. I chose 10 days (max) of cached work through BOINC's preferences.

All seemed good but I have found that the WU's are taking longer than the estimated time (6:57) and have been finishing closer to around 8:30. This isn't the best thing when you cache this far ahead. At this rate I likely wouldn't complete them all even if I rendered my own computer practically unusable by throwing all it's resources into the WU's. Mind you I feel shame at the likelhood of having to abandon WU's for that matter straight face.

What I can tell you's is that I actually underclock my laptop for BOINC as it has been prone to overheating at full load on full specs. Would this be a factor in the underestimated time of RICE WU's? It does run regular benchmarks so you'd think it would have a better idea of the abilities of my system.

Oh and as a note it actually seems to grossly overestimate HCMD2 units. A "31" hour workunit takes about 5-7? Strange much? thinking
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

Do not set chache to 10 days. I think you should have much smaller cache. And if you want get badge or have more WU I recomend you to slowly increase cache when end of project aproaches. And as far as i know rice is set to run around 7 hours. It computes exact number of seeds to get to 7 hours runtime.
And underclocking surely inflates Boinc estimates. They are based on past performance.
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

Defenitions:

Wallclock or Elapsed or sometimes Run Time: The time it takes for the system to do the job from start to finish.

CPU time: The actual cycles used by the science application to complete a task. For RICE this has a cut-off of 7:00 hours, plus the time it takes to finish the seed that was running at 6:59:59 hours.

I personally detest the confusing Elapsed column as it can entirely mislead to think a job is running smoothly whilst in fact it may get only a fraction of the CPU time... So I use BOINCTasks which shows both to provide the relative profile view.

World Community Grid 6.17 Nutritious Rice for the World R00576_006015ef68d8f49df61deb1a14e4985e_02_006 07:31:12 (07:00:11) 24-02-2010 09:58 24-02-2010 09:59 Reported: Ok

As seen here, it took 7:00:11 hours to compute and 31 more minutes on the wallclock. This system is set to run at 95% throttle (laptop getting too warm)

Laptops getting hot? Clean Clean Clean those dustbunnies that enter over time.

Caching wisdom... well it's standard deadline 10 days, so with an 83% efficiency, the client will only cache 8.3 days worth. If there's too much to not be able to meet the deadline, the client stops fetching work so it's pointless to pump it up any further... you'd see constantly Running, processing High Priority and even job preempting as the client tries to find the quickest jobs (this is slightly better in client version 6.10 where the client learns run times at application level.)
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

[snip] slowly increase cache when end of project aproaches.
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I agree with that advice.
I've done that before at the end of a task and ramping it up worked best.

e.g. normally cache 1 day
when you see work units starting with R00613_ increase cache to 3 days;
when you see work units starting with R00617_ increase cache to 5 days;
when you see work units starting with R00621_ increase cache to 7 days;
when you see work units starting with R00625_ increase cache to 9 days;
when you see work units starting with R00627_ increase cache to 10 days.

Since Uplinger said in the '30-days-left' thread that 627 should be the final batch. After that I think it will just be work units that were held too long by someone and reissued, but those shouldn't take more than 10 days or so to mop up I would think. I should hit sapphire about the 11th or 12th, then I'll be switching to DDDT-2, and I imagine there will be others that either hit the level they're shooting for, or decide they're not going to make it, and stop taking more. (of course there are many, many others that don't even know it's almost done because they never peruse the forums!)

And what Randzo says about the 7-hour time is what I see here, too... whether I have a 1.8GHz p4 mobile on them or a 3GHz Phenom X4, they crunch for just about 7 hours... the points awarded vary widely, however (still, badges are awarded for CPU time, not points earned nor number of results returned).

I wish you productive crunching. cool
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

ZoSo,

the batches do not go out sequentially i.e. after 00627 it might jump back to 00620 or whatever. He's loaded the batch already into the system, so it becomes kind of: Whatever the feeders grab. Momentarily I've got new work, normal 10 day deadline jobs intermingled with HCMD2 577, 574, 586, 575. Some work actually waits on first returns in a batch/quorum to optimize the seed numbers computed.

Uplinger in past gave quasi 3,2,1 last days new work warnings, for those on the squeeze. Those are the posts to watch for.
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

Thanks for all the posts guys wink

Randzo,

I have to agree. I made a booboo thinking 10 days cache off the bat was a good idea d oh


Sekerob,

I have to throughly concede that I believe there is a dust issue at hand here. Just a few days ago I noticed some dust had collected on my table from the fan vent under my laptop. No bloody wonder it gets warm! I've never done DIY on my laptop but I might have to consider that now. That BOINCTasks looks good, may have a crack at that cool

My laptop's max speed is 1.73ghz (dual core) but have downclocked it to 1.06ghz. Even there at full load it runs at 73 degrees Celsius (warm much?). I won't clock it any higher for that matter sad


ZoSo,

I like your caching scheme, I think I will go by that. Thank you, I will do my best biggrin
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

For my laptop it's rather simple, unscrew the CPU and memory cover and some compressed air. Sitting on a notepal with 3 fans, but on really hot days I open up the DVD player slot and if necessary throttle is down further... hi season it goes to 50-60 percent, using ThreadMaster GUI or TThrottle for the automated temp control.
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

What's the theory against early caching up?

It doesn't seem to matter much, the way I'm thinking about it.
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

For my laptop it's rather simple, unscrew the CPU and memory cover and some compressed air. Sitting on a notepal with 3 fans, but on really hot days I open up the DVD player slot and if necessary throttle is down further... hi season it goes to 50-60 percent, using ThreadMaster GUI or TThrottle for the automated temp control.


On Dells you can usually pry up the hinge cover with a plastic screwdriver... the heat pipe and fins typically sit just below that (also, some manufacturers have Service Manuals available for download that show disassembly/reassembly with step-by-step pictures).
I find a 1.5" slash-tip nylon bristle paint brush along with the canned air and/or vacuum cleaner helps knock the buildup off fins and fan blades too (and keeps the fans from spinning too fast, which can harm the bushings/bearings).
There is a fan control program for some Dells, also. i8k is the name, I believe - I first saw it in Fedora's repos, but discovered it had originally been a windows program and was ported over.

As far as the work unit sequence numbers, I was only going by what I have seen. I notice a few jump back 10 or 15 counts, but I figured those were re-issues... generally they march right up the count. I haven't really seen them come in batches grossly out-of-order in the upward direction. Looking back on the Messages tab, Sunday I was running 570-576, Monday I ran 574-579, Tuesday 576-585 and so far today I've been running 576-586. In BOINCview's local cache for 15 cores I see 577-587... I would have to look in Results Status to see what the offsite cores have cached. Still, I'll take your word for it that they can jump forward unexpectedly. :-)
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Re: BOINC underestimating RICE WU's?

I looked as i posted before in the actual quorums, no repair jobs which would have a 4 day deadline. The default is 10 days, which what they all were, not seen a rush/repair job for a long time.

What is fed to Linux with the low market share and Windows with large market share I do not know. Not even sure if RICE is a mixed platform project like HPF2 is.

Here the RS page showing the order sorted by sent time for the batch numbers I quoted earlier... it's an up and down and all 10 day deadline, point being seeing 627 by no means suggests that earlier batches have gone all out.

R00577_ b7f84457890583066f2b3be0c6b38e6c_ 02_ 003_ 8--
R00576_ 006015ef68d8f49df61deb1a14e4985e_ 02_ 008_ 11--
R00576_ 006015ef68d8f49df61deb1a14e4985e_ 02_ 006_ 18--
R00575_ efe74b932b4147eb6895a1281fe1e07d_ 02_ 000_ 13--
R00575_ efe74b932b4147eb6895a1281fe1e07d_ 02_ 004_ 0--
R00575_ efe74b932b4147eb6895a1281fe1e07d_ 01_ 007_ 4--
R00575_ efe74b932b4147eb6895a1281fe1e07d_ 01_ 008_ 3--
R00575_ efe74b932b4147eb6895a1281fe1e07d_ 01_ 009_ 11--
R00575_ efe74b932b4147eb6895a1281fe1e07d_ 02_ 003_ 1--
R00586_ f7b183ecb9042be70d0923ae98257348_ 02_ 9--
R00586_ e3b6e1ffe667a1ba363b2fe31a75298c_ 01_ 4--
R00575_ a179398dd0895bbe27c7e7169670589e_ 00_ 003_ 4--
R00585_ 32cce03a3e70081407fc98e4110793e7_ 00_ 14--
R00584_ eee6276ece43585f0960413d53c21db3_ 01_ 7--
R00574_ 4de3b4d3f8ce3b6d29dc7a54c9a1c895_ 01_ 006_ 0--
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