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This is a thread to update members about how the results of the Nutritious Rice for the World project are being used.
We are evaluating the model structures sent back evaluate which are most likely to be representative of the real structures. These will be posted and accessible on the website. This in itself is a difficult and time consuming process. We have developed and are developing gpu-based software to allow us to do this faster and use more accurate techniques. A paper on the technical aspects of the project should be out shortly. After the initial analysis, we will be collaborating with other rice researchers to focus on genes of interest and analyze the models in depth to attempt to ascertain the function of these proteins. More details as they develop... Hong |
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[...]We have developed and are developing gpu-based software to allow us to do this faster and use more accurate techniques. A paper on the technical aspects of the project should be out shortly.[...] Is there any chance that those GPU based calculations will be running on WCG - maybe as 'Nutritious Rice for the World Phase 2'? Thanks for your answer in advance! |
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We are focussing on examining the results that we have obtained first to see what we've done right, what we've done wrong and how this can be improved. It is premature to talk about a phase 2 until we have looked more closely at the results from phase 1.
From a technical viewpoint, the gpu version of the folding process runs quite stably on ATI cards under Linux. We will be porting it to open-CL for compatibility and testing on NVIDIA cards and to allow the same process to run on unaccelerated machines. It uses more accurate energy functions but is essentially the same process otherwise (except about 100x faster). I'd like to modify the algorithm a bit more to better utilize the gpu but that'll take some time and some funding... Hong |
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Dear Hong,
thanks for the information. I wish you all success you need to raise the funding for this important project. It would be an honor to support you with the upcoming GPU calculations. ![]() |
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Hello lhhung -- Nutritious Rice for the World Scientist
Thank you for the update. I've noticed a lot of feedback coming from scientists across all WCG projects and I very much welcome that development. Your update is not an exception. A close scientist-to-cruncher connection/communication bodes well for all of us here at WCG. As for the use of the GPU to do calculations, I too welcome any push to make that possibility a reality. My ATI Radeon is itching to do some WCG crunching exercises! [WCG techs: Is there already GPU alpha code? Any chance for a GPU to be on beta test (as alpha code is developed to beta status) as the algorithm is being fashioned towards finalization?] The promise of a GPU-accelerated crunching (100x faster, you say?) is one chip you could use on the bargaining table to get that needed funding. Good day ; |
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Thanks for your feedback:
I think I've said this about before the GPU porting. It is not a trivial task - but fortunately, it wasn't too bad in this case because of the simplicity of the engine and the energy functions. However, for us, it's not so much about repeating the same method 100x or more faster but using the power to do things more accurately. To an extent, this has already been done through more accurate energy functions but there are a lot of improvements to the approach that are possible when you have 1-10 TFLOPs rather than 1-50 GFLOPs than just running the same thing faster. In any case, the first paper will not be describing the folding process, but the acceleration of some of the analytical tools that we use to evaluate the results that you guys have returned to us. which is on the order of 10 billion structures. Handling and processing that amount of data is quite a challenging task in itself. |
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We should be submitting a paper in the next month or so regarding the application of GPUs to the analysis of the NRFTW data. One of the major methods involved in evaluating the quality of the structures is to compare them with other structures that have been generated. Accurate structures will tend to share similar features, whereas outliers will be tend to be divergent. This requires the comparison of each structure with every other structure in the ensemble which is a bottleneck when you are talking about 100-200 thousand structures per sequence and 60K+ sequences. The paper describes the use of GPUs for these structural comparisons have resulted in a 500-fold increase in speed over previous implementations.
Terrabytes of compressed data were obtained from the project. As we process this data, we will be making available on the website the most accurate structures from each set of 100-200,000 structures that were generated per sequence. We hope to have some of them up by the end of the summer. Once we have winnowed through the data and identified the best structures, we will compare them to the structure of known families of proteins and try to identify the function of these unknown genes. The sequences that we chose to model in the NRFTW project have little sequence similarity to known genes and hopefully a structure comparison will give us some insight into their function. As there is so much data to process, we are consulting with rice biologists as to which sequences might be of the most interest and prioritize the analyses to those genes. Hong |
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wow.
----------------------------------------Hope that your efforts and ideas in this paper, increase the real chance to use GPU's in the next phase of this project. It will be the first inside WCG, and probably will get dozens of thousands of new WCG crunchers from other projects that use GPU's features today, and obviously a lot of thousands of WCG crunchers which elected GPU's as the best way to acelerate grid computing researches, despite of some barriers. reallu was cool news fro NRW team, and wish a good luck with the evolution of this subject. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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From a technical viewpoint, the gpu version of the folding process runs quite stably on ATI cards under Linux. We will be porting it to open-CL for compatibility and testing on NVIDIA cards and to allow the same process to run on unaccelerated machines. It uses more accurate energy functions but is essentially the same process otherwise (except about 100x faster). I'd like to modify the algorithm a bit more to better utilize the gpu but that'll take some time and some funding... Hong Can you tell us more about which type of ATI hardware are you thinking or you are using? Are you going to go for accuracy (SP or DP), only OpenCL (4xxx and above, or directly with 5xxx and above), or maybe even Brook+ (for 2xxx and 3xxx). Any news is good news :) |
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