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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

you guys would be mad at me then. i have a hexacore that spits 4.0ghz out at 125, and a 260. i'll be upgrading it soon to a fusion power edition mobo w/gtx 460 dual frozr.

i have to say tho, the more performance you get per watt is genius. however... i must say that i'm very happy with my thuban. it might not be a 980x, but i built this computer for the price of that chip.. so go figure, and thats including the thuban, on the very first day it came to retail, 300 bones on newegg. a good investment i think?


to me, its actually all about the psu. not matter how many tdp's your pushing, if your psu isn't gold, you're already in trouble.
how many of you low wattage guys have a 90plus rated psu?
i do, 650 watt earthwatts. i'm pretty sure n owadays tho it's probably rated closer to 85 or so, just by its age.

if you get a build, i'm more th an happy to build it and take my kill a watt to it ;)

by the way, if you need good prices, just send me a message :) i build computers all day, so its just part of my day :)
i'm VERY interested to see where this goes (pressed the subscribe/follow button)

oh yeah, my mips is 4000 Floating Point MIPS per core
thats like 24000, so i think its pretty good..
sounds like i need lessons though..
any chance you can lay that build on us?
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

My CPU's only ever know 100% flat out crunching wink

They think it's normal after a while. It's good for them... better than warming up and cooling down all the time expanding and contracting their silicon substrates. Constantly nice and toasty is where it's at for reliability smile

The GPU is a 9500 GT I couldn't buy a slower one. I might try the ATI 4350 this one has a 1/4 of the RAM of the Nvidia

http://www.lasystems.be/Asus/EAH4350SILENTDI2...MD2LP/product/180945.html

The goal is to be as efficient as possible. Slowest card, least RAM, passively cooled

With the ATI I could get the AMD Overdrive Utility to do the underclocking as well wink
It's the CPU that does the crunching


may i ask a question of you?
these numbers are in Fahrenheit, so please bear with them . (added Celsius)
my thuban stays 77f(25C) when idle, and 95(35C) when full 100% on all six cores running aqua, collatz, wcg, whatever.. is this bad?
i'd say it's never gone below 77(25c), or above 113(45C) ... are these numbers bad? should i make my processor hotter? i'm a bit confused.
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Hi Trilith

Yes my PSU is this one http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/...OS%201463_750W_Report.pdf

For details regarding the build see the first post in this thread

The only change to the lean green machine is an update from the Phenom II 905E to the 1055T 95W edition overclocked to 2.99Ghz a core (now 6 of them) - the leaner greener number crunching machine biggrin

As for your temperatures they seem ok but motherboard temperature measurements are notoriously inaccurate varying from manufacturer to manufacturer. They are best used to set a benchmark and used to spot when your heatsink is clogged up with dust.

The temperatures are fine when your results make it to valid. If you spot a few errors it is time to break out the dyson.

Get the correct spec heatsink. Apply the thinnest scrapings of Arctic Silver 5 and hoover it out once a blue moon and you will be OK.

I have never damaged a CPU using it for what it is designed - number crunching. I suspect that as they stay nice and toasty and at a stable temperature they probably last longer that way than having their substrates expand and contract with the changing loads and power downs and bootups of those cpu not lucky enough to be involved in a grid project.

But I am just biased wink

by the way all those load readings are at the power socket so they include the losses (heat) in the psu


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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

to me, its actually all about the psu. not matter how many tdp's your pushing, if your psu isn't gold, you're already in trouble.


trilith, I think you ahave a point here for those who have many machines dedicated. 15% improvement on the PSU efficiency is only 60 Watts on a 400 Watts machine, You have those values or more if you use CPU and GPU crunching.

But 10% improvement on 20 machines with 400 watts each you get 0.8 kW less power. This starts to count. And depending from where you start, if your PSU is not even Bronze, then you may have up to 20% efficiency improvement at that gives you -1.6 kW.

I am now slowly changing my PSU's to Gold or Platinum standard which is not yet widely available. This means to get over 90% efficiency. When I started my rigs what was available in the power ratings I wanted was Bronze. Since I started crunching with GPU's I change to Gold as a minimum.

One other positive effect is that the higher the efficiency, and the less waste heat is emitted from the PSU, which means you need less speed on the PSU cooling fan, which means less noise. All goodies. wink
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Hi Trilith

Yes my PSU is this one http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/...OS%201463_750W_Report.pdf

For details regarding the build see the first post in this thread

The only change to the lean green machine is an update from the Phenom II 905E to the 1055T 95W edition overclocked to 2.99Ghz a core (now 6 of them) - the leaner greener number crunching machine biggrin

As for your temperatures they seem ok but motherboard temperature measurements are notoriously inaccurate varying from manufacturer to manufacturer. They are best used to set a benchmark and used to spot when your heatsink is clogged up with dust.

The temperatures are fine when your results make it to valid. If you spot a few errors it is time to break out the dyson.

Get the correct spec heatsink. Apply the thinnest scrapings of Arctic Silver 5 and hoover it out once a blue moon and you will be OK.

I have never damaged a CPU using it for what it is designed - number crunching. I suspect that as they stay nice and toasty and at a stable temperature they probably last longer that way than having their substrates expand and contract with the changing loads and power downs and bootups of those cpu not lucky enough to be involved in a grid project.

But I am just biased wink

by the way all those load readings are at the power socket so they include the losses (heat) in the psu


Dave


i use tuniq tx-1 performance gel: i live by it. i see an instant temperature increase to 95F, and then it just stays there - all day ;)
and yes, psu's ARE IT man, a good solid 90+ will totally rock your rig, and you'll save a lot of power in the process. :)
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

A Sandy Bridge system might be of interest here: According to my calculations it does 143 floating point MIPS/W (but see caveats below).
This may be only semi-relevant at the moment, as Sandy Bridge isn't for sale anymore (not in my area, at least), but it looks promising for the near future.

Efficiency is calculated from
  • 3335 floating point MIPS per CPU (BOINC benchmark)
  • 4 physical + 4 virtual cores
  • 15,340 floating point MIPS total (3335 * 4 * 1.15; four physical cores counting fully plus 15% for the contribution of the four virtual cores)
  • 107 W (total system power measured at the wall when running eight WCG threads at 100%)
  • = 143 floating point MIPS/W

System:
  • Intel i7 2600K @ stock (3.4GHz + turbo)
  • Mobo: Asus P8P67
  • PSU: Antec EarthWatts 500 W (80plus bronze, I believe - it's a couple of years old, I don't have the exact data available)
  • Video card: GeForce 210 (~4W at idle )
  • Disk: Corsair 60GB SSD + Samsung 250GB HDD
  • RAM: 2x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz, 1.5 V
  • Optical drive: None
  • OS: Win 7 64 bit (the OS can make quite a bit of difference in power consumption, especially for what you get "out of the box". Planning to test with Linux/Ubuntu later.)

Caveats:
  • The BOINC benchmark is "cheating": As single threaded it is running at max turbo (+400MHz) while the actual work tasks are running at a smaller turbo (+100MHz).
  • I'm not entirely clear on how much additional work the virtual cores contribute - it could be as low as 7% or as high as 25-30%. I used 15% here to stay consistent with the system on the first page of this thread.

All told, the metrics for this system may not be directly comparable with the current benchmark, but I think it is quite competitive.

It should be possible to improve efficiency even further with a few changes:
  • 90+ PSU (up to 10W savings?)
  • skip the hard drive, using just the SSD (saving a couple of watts)
  • pick another motherboard (an Intel model apparently uses 8-12W less power than the Asus)
  • experiment with over/underclocking
  • if you're going for the Guinness Record, you can shave off a few watts by using less RAM
  • if you're not in a hurry, you could wait for the 6- and 8-core Sandy Bridge
  • if you're even less in a hurry, you could wait for the 22 nm die shrink wink

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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Nice one waitingForTheMiracle

This is the the Intel Setup to beat applause

(Sandy Bridge will be back there's nothing wrong with the CPU it's the supporting chipset and some potential SATA instability - so I hear)

That's a whole load of crunching for not alot of watts

You are right about the benchmark but even with turbo core switched off that's green number crunching

Does the mobo have integrated graphics being Sandy Bridge?

Loving the 22nm die shrink dig biggrin

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Talking of Intel have I missed something on the forums about Hyperthreading and BOINC?

I converted my Atom powered HT netbook to Xubuntu and it's not receiving the hours it has put in (virtually)

I ran a WU for 120+ hours (those Atoms are not fast) and received 88 hours in the stats. One of the projects only hands out 12 hours max however long it runs

Apologies if this is covered elsewhere on the forum

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Does the mobo have integrated graphics being Sandy Bridge?
Well, the CPU has integrated graphics. The mobos fall in two groups: Those based on the H67 chipset can use the integrated graphics but don't support over/underclocking. Those based on the P67 chipset (like mine) can do overclocking but can't use the integrated graphics.

So that's another option for optimizing Sandy Bridge efficiency: A H67 motherboard would let you skip the discrete graphics, saving a few more watts (and some money, both on the graphics card and by not paying extra for a K model - i.e. overclockable - CPU). Good point smile

By the time Sandy Bridge is back in the market, a third type of motherboard may be available: The Z68 chipset is supposed to support both integrated graphics and overclocking.

On the HT question, I don't know of any particulars except that HT processors will overclaim on points (because the claim is based on treating virtual cores as real) and appear to give a bit less runtime - I'm averaging 7 days runtime per calendar day with 8 threads running 24/7.
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Talking of Intel have I missed something on the forums about Hyperthreading and BOINC?

I converted my Atom powered HT netbook to Xubuntu and it's not receiving the hours it has put in (virtually)

I ran a WU for 120+ hours (those Atoms are not fast) and received 88 hours in the stats. One of the projects only hands out 12 hours max however long it runs

Dave


When you installed BOINC after converting to Xubuntu, is there any chance that you forgot to change from the default 60% processor time to maximum output? That woud account for a difference between elapsed time and credited CPU time.
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