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Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Three Questions. If even one of them is answered I will be overjoyed.

Computer: HP Pavilion zd8000
3.2 GHz P4 Processor
1 GB Ram
2 GM VRam


Question the first

I can't even begin to pretend I know what's going on here, I can only give sypmtoms. When running my computer, it will often seize up, even though CPU is in majority Idle, RAM is plenty free, and nothing major is going. What really puzzles me, is that by muting my sound, everything frees up again. Put your heads to that one.


Question the second

Probably something easier to explain. My computer uses Hyper Threading. I kind of have 2 sub-questions here. The first is that when I have hyper threading running, no single process, at all, including WCG will surpass 50% CPU usage. When I disable hyper threading, WCG will behave as it should, using 100% until otherwise needed. Is this actually because process recognise the hyperthreading as being two processors and will only max out the usage on one of them? Is this just an illusion of task manager, and are they getting the same CPU usage in either case?

Secondly, what's the point of hyper-threading? I disabled it in BIOS and everything pretty much runs alot better on my computer without it. Someone tell me why I bought Hyper-Threading.


Question the third

Which brings me to my next question. Pretty much the only thing I can do in BIOS is disable hyper-threading. Why aren't I aren't I able to edit multiplier or at least FSB and vdimm/vcore? Is there some other way to do this? Yes this has to do with over-clocking. If previous questions have left you with the impression that I'm too much of an idiot to attempt over-clocking, tell me and I'll take your word for it.


Thanks in advance my crunch-comerades.
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confused Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Hello Alain,

Your first question sounds like a problem with power to me. If so, it requires somebody with more technical knowledge than I have to discuss. And I am probably wrong anyhow. Does your technical documentation go into detail about your power supply?

Your second question is easy. Task Manager does not understand hyperthreading. When hyperthreading is enabled, it thinks you have 2 processors, so it divides by 2. 100% utilization is reported as 50%. Hyperthreading allows you to run a second thread whenever the first thread stalls in the pipeline because of dependencies. This lets you run an application and a short OS task thread simultaneously. It really does speed up throughput slightly. Call it about 14% faster while the OS thread is running. Normally, you will only notice faster response in certain video editing tasks, though if you have sound enabled on a game, you will see slightly faster frame rates with hyperthreading on. Task Manager will claim that you are running much slower than 2 processors would, which fools people into thinking that they are slower.

As for overclocking, you will need some voltage meters, etc., which brings us back with how to check up on your first problem. Maybe you should ask around on an OC forum?

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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Alain,

Regarding the first question, I don't understand. If the computer is seized up, how can you even unmute the sound? What exactly is "seized up?" How are you unmuting the sound?

A total freeze likely indicates a power issue, bad memory stick, or maybe thermal overheating. A sound problem like you describe may also be a sound card driver fault, conflict with your video card driver, or conflict with another device.

Have you Googled for a solution? You'll probably find something. If you have any USB devices connected, see if unconnecting them solves this issue.

A good first thing to check is duplicated devices. In Device Manager, see if any devices are duplicated, if any exist with a yellow exclamation point. If so, you can remove all duplicated devices in Device Manager, reboot, and let Windows redetect the device (hopefully, only one will reappear!). In Device Manager you can also select View --> Show hidden devices to see if any duplicates show up there.

Otherwise, try to locate an update to your sound card driver. Follow the recommended installation process to update.

Good luck! Device changes require care - I won't assume responsibility for anything done that messes up the system! smile
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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Thanks for the explanation about hyper-threading. I'm not sure about the power problem. My documentation doesn't talk about it in with any unique depth. I've tried disconnectiong USB's and things but they don't have the same effect. A good example of seizing up is I right click on an item in explorer, and nothing pops up, so I wait and wait, nothing happens, but I press the mute button on my laptop and then it pops up. First few times I considered it a conincidence, but it seems to be the universal solution now.

I don't know much about the voltage my computer gets, I just plug it into the power bar and run her. The fan on the computer is pretty good, and it doesn't seem to me to have a heating problem. It never get's so hot that it would disrupt anything. I'd be more willing to place money on a faulty sound card, but I'm not sure how the computer would have such a dependancy on it that it should be freezing up waiting for a response for it. I've noticed that my music will sometimes skip on my laptop when playing it. To me that makes no sence but I've ignored it because it rarely happens. What I do notice is that sometimes when my computer becomes completely unresponsive, mouse, keyboard, all program, mute button, everything - my music will just keep on playing like it's not affected by the fact that my damn system is crashing. Maybe these are all realated.

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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

A couple of comments/suggestions. First the hyperthreading: Here are a few paragraphs about that issue.

I was thinking about the sound issue one way until it dawned on me that we are talking laptop. I suppose that the first place I would start is to get the computer very cool in an attempt to eliminate a heating issue (place it in front of an air-conditioning vent for an hour or so then test it) -- or similar. Assuming that was not it, I would search for updates to the sound drivers and see if that fixes it. Beyond that, and the suggestions from NMTechnoGuy I suppose that I would throw in the towel and take it to the HP authorized repair shop. As to overclocking, I don't think I would attempt it on a laptop. Hope this helps smile . If not, sorry. sad

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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Alain,

I have a few more tricks to suggest.

First thing after you boot your machine, run Task Manager and switch to the Processes tab. When a "lockup" occurs, see if a certain process is capturing a lot of time in the CPU column. Perhaps you can make some progress if you can identify a rogue process.

Also, this right click delay, in my experience, can be a problem with some registry entries, especially relating to the user shell. There is a utility called "Regmon" which displays registry activity in real time, which can reveal some things going on in the registry while this problem is occurring. You can try some registry cleaning tools for this, but be careful to make a registry backup and be sure you know what you're doing. My favorite fixer is Norton Utility's "WinDoctor;" it just doesn't delete bad registry items, but looks for proper corrections. Microsoft has a tool "RegClean" that should be safe, but unsupported by them. I also like Jouni Vuorios' RegCleaner Ver. 4.3.

A simple method to test user shell corruption is to create another user account on your computer (probably an Admin level account, if that's the account type you normally use), and see if problem occurs under that user's login. You'll have a new default interface but probably you'll be missing some Start menu icons for user-specific installations, and you won't have some desktop icons. This new desktop will likely be much snappier, and may even solve the problem.

Work with this new account and interface a bit and see if the problem goes away. If so, then you can stick with this new account for normal use and just keep the other account as a backup. You can copy some shortcuts over from the old desktop to the new, as needed. It is a good idea to work with a second Admin account anyway, as it is a bit more secure than being online all the time with the default (and unremovable) Admin account. Later, you can try to simplify the default desktop and see if it clears up.

P.S., IMPORTANT: WRITE DOWN AND DO NOT FORGET YOUR DEFAULT ADMIN ID AND PASSWORD. This is the top-level Admin account necessary to gain access to your system. Should you need to run any kind of recovery utility, you'll need this ID and password to get into your system!!!

Of course it would be a good idea to run some anti-spyware/adware programs also.

Good luck, Alain!
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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Thanks again for all your help.

As you can see my Desktop isn't very cluttered




And I try to keep my registry and computer maintained with ad-aware SE-Pro and Registry Mechanic, two purchased programs. I've only had my user accound for 2 months, this is a new computer, and I'm sure that the account isn't damaged in any way. I'm extremely meticulous about keeping everything clean and tidy.

I sat my computer by the window on a cold day and made sure the temperature was right low when I started it up, but it was still being unresponsive when starting up a program (this time WMP) until I muted my computer. I clicked the icon and nothing happened, I had task manager running and 64% of my CPU was idle, but I pressed mute and then the program loaded in instantaneous response.

I checked for an update for my sound driver, but there is none, and of course there's nothing to roll back to because it's the same as when I got the computer. I'm hesitant about leaving my computer with a techie, but I may find somewhere where I can take it in and look at it with someone.

I'm also hesitant about starting a new administrator account, but if you really really think it would make a difference I could try adding a new user. But then you have to login at startup, and track two different documents and settings and yadda yadda. Last resort thing really.

I'll agree with you about the hyper threading. It was just a whim at the time, and my computer is loud enough as it is without pulling overtime.


I'm interested in this WinDoctor that repairs invalid registry entries instead of just deleting them, but I'm assuming that's something that would have to be purchased.
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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Hello Alain,
I should have kept quiet about power and muting. It sounds as though you are clicking on a 'mute' screen icon. If so, then the problem is not with the power supply.

Have you ever tried Belarc Advisor at http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html ? If you could copy a screen from it into wordpad or something similar, then post here, it would tell people a great deal about the system they are puzzling over.

Best wishes,
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Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

No, I'm not clicking an on screen mute button, there is a button on the laptop above the keyboard, and I press that to mute it.

But here is the information that program retrieved. I started an angelfire account just for you.


http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/alainbryden/_Alain_.html


(You will probably want to run ad-aware after viewing this site.)
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confused Re: Some puzzles for the techies. (Sound Card Problem? / Hyper-Threading / BIOS / FSB etc)

Your system looks quite clean. Comparing it with mine reminded me that I needed to take one step that you had. smile Being slightly paranoid, I have disabled 3 of my local system accounts: guest, HelpAssistant and SUPPORT. But guest is a good idea if other people might use your CPU. Since you use Registry Mechanic, I am out of ideas. tired You have ruled out temperature problems.

I am back to wondering about a hardware glitch of some sort, not necessarily power. After looking over the HP site (I checked the general zd8000 notes, since I could not figure out your specific model: zd8001 - zd8080) I could not find anything in the FAQs. Maybe you should send in a report to 'Contact HP', emphasizing your low temperature experiment while trying the mute switch.

Anybody with some ideas?

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