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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

I think you're misunderstanding what exactly I'm saying. You don't need to filter each and every individual source of water. Just stick filtration plants on the side of the Chesapeake and have them filter the pollutants out.
No matter what, we have to get rid of the pollutants. Even if we can, with things like the model, figure out ways to slow down their build-up, they're still there and growing. A system that has the potential to fix the problem is far more important than a model that tells us how much we can slow it down.
Especially since knowing that isn't even a guarantee anything will be done about it. Virginia legislators are the ones who introduced SOPA - the people who get elected here aren't exactly the most brilliant bunch.
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

Hello everyone.

The statement at the WCG homepage, "We're helping find ways to improve water-quality" adds to the confusion between cleaning water as an end in itself on one hand, and on the other hand having a clean-water as one result of-, and therefore a means to an end of having clean-water from-, an estuary that is sought to be sustainable from a clean-water point-of-view.

A sustainable estuary means not only clean water, but a host of other environmental benefits as well. This, in my view, is the crux of the confusion.

The first dimension: clean-water first
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If WCG wants to emphasize the clean-water angle of a sustainable estuary, the catch-line should reflect that. My suggestion: "We're helping to find ways to improve water quality thru sustainable estuaries".

The second dimension: environment first
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Now, if WCG wants to emphasize the hosts of benefits from a model of a sustainable estuary with particular focus on clean-water as the one result thereof, I suggest the following catch-line: "We're helping to find ways to improve sustainability of estuaries to give us clean-water".

Because tackling something as big as what an "environment" connotes and implies -- suggests harder work because of the broadness of the environmental front*, and because a clean-water is the most, shall we say, 'meaningful', of what people want to get, I suggest using the first dimension above.

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*Like what happened with the "Clean Energy" project -- too broad a name and too broad a scope for a project. Also talks about "clean-energy" in all its broadest terms and ends up tying the fate of the broad clean-energy industry to a specific solar-energy industry project.
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

The C4CW and CFSW are somewhat complementary. It was noted that the Chesapeake Bay is very large, in fact it contains about 51 cubic kilometers of water ranging from freshwater at its northern end to salt water at its mouth. While C4CW is an excellent method for recovering clean, potable water for human consumption, CFSW is looking to minimize the flow of nutrients to the Bay. But as noted in a previous post, to clean the entire Bay just isn't possible --too big and too costly, so we want to find the best methods to reduce the problem.
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

This post isn't too long -- it is a very well articulated description of the CFSW project.

Many thanks for th thoughtfull post.
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

another thing to realize is that if they can decrease the pollution input into the Chesapeake bay then nature will slowly work on cleaning it up because less stress is being put on it....

also a lot of the C4CW research may in fact help prevent some of the pollution input or cleanup methods may also help... heck solar energy project may even help to power the cleanups or processing... all projects relate to each other in some form or another.

and here is the biggest thing projects help each other... if we prove distributing computing useful in one way other researchers will think of using distributed computing
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

and here is the biggest thing projects help each other... if we prove distributing computing useful in one way other researchers will think of using distributed computing


Totally agreed with that. In the past, I've run projects I wasn't even particularly interested in, in the hopes that researchers would see the amounts of horsepower available (and hopefully, results achieved), and start projects that do interest me more.

I remember crunching SETI right back in the early days, and thinking "this is great, but I wish they could turn some of this computer power to curing cancer or something..."
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

No doubt the aims of this project are worthy but I think it's another case, like Help Conquer Cancer,
where the project has been poorly, non-descriptively named.

I have to confess, however, that I'm having trouble in coming up with a clearly superior alternative.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

A title of projects are catch words designed... MSM fit to attract many to at least look in. If one resorts to titles seen over peer reviewed papers in Science and Nature journals, you'd not get a fraction to come crunch.

So, no clearly superior alternative from my side.

HCC btw has been a long running named endeavor where the project came from. Not necessarily cancer focused only, but with many of the medical researches, they often have cross application.... we're building base knowledge to further expand on. Hepatitis C eventually leads to cancer... decades later after catching it [and hundreds of thousands don't even know they've been infected], so that part of DDDT2 is double important to many, but no one knows this is a target by looking at the Discover Dengue Drugs - Together title. I've no better title for this science project either :D

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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

Dengue may have applicability to other areas, but the fact is that the project DOES directly research Dengue, so the name is both accurate and descriptive.

The mere fact that this thread was started indicates the name is a bit of a fail.

How about "Computing for Cleaner Coastal Waters (CCCW)"?
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Re: Does Computing for Clean Water make this unnecessary?

The name is fine, in my opinion. "Computing for Cleaner Coastal Waters" doesn't really cover it, since the way to get cleaner coastal waters is to get cleaner rivers, and the things learned in this project will hopefully be applicable to inland rivers and water bodies as well.

What this thread really tells me, as a volunteer who has spent years monitoring water quality in rivers and streams of my home state, is not that the name is a failure so much as how little people understand watersheds and the hydrological cycle. To an unfortunately large portion of the population today, rivers are something they drive across for about five seconds on their way to work or the mall. There's a big disconnect there.
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