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Former Member
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EDIT: This has been Resolved! Thanks Again!
----------------------------------------Hi Everyone, I'm pretty new to the WCG and wanted to share my experience using the BONIC client after noticing an interesting issue. When I installed the client from WCG website (7.2.47) and began crunching on OpenZika; I could never go past 80% CPU usage and didn't really think much of it all my preferences were at 100% and to run all the time. I used Core Temp to tell me the load of each core and they hovered around 65-95% between each core. I tried the latest (7.6.22) from the BONIC page on the Berkeley website and now I'm getting 100% on all cores. I've attempted to uninstall and reinstall the old version and the results were the same with only 77-80% usage. I'm not sure why this is but I wanted to share this if it needed to be looked into. I'm running: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2658 v3 12 Core CPUs Edit: I've also notices there are a lot more tasks running on the newer client (40+) vs the old one which was around (20-30). - Marty [Edit 2 times, last edit by Marty@MM at Sep 17, 2016 3:36:15 PM] |
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KLiK
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if you want to throttle down your CPU manually, you can in BOINC...go to Tools -> Computer preferences -> Processor usage -> (bottom) Use at most XX % CPU time
----------------------------------------if you want to regulate your CPU temp in Win enviroment, suggest you use Tthrottle: http://efmer.com/b/?q=tthrottle ;) |
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Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
if you want to throttle down your CPU manually, you can in BOINC...go to Tools -> Computer preferences -> Processor usage -> (bottom) Use at most XX % CPU time if you want to regulate your CPU temp in Win enviroment, suggest you use Tthrottle: http://efmer.com/b/?q=tthrottle ;) Thanks for the response KLiK but that was not what I was asking. I'll try to rephrase my current issue. I am going through these issues because when I initially installed this client my system was moving through work units at an approx time of 24 units per 3 hours and has slowed down drastically. I do not recall the performance of my original configuration since I was not monitoring it but as you can see something has changed and I cannot figure out what it is. 9/3 is when I first joined WCG 9/4 is when I had my system crunching for my first full day. 9/11 is when I did a fresh install of windows 7. You will notice the points decrease from there. Statistics Date Total Run Time Points Generated Results Returned (y:d:h:m:s) 09/11/2016 0:001:11:59:07 2,469 6 09/10/2016 0:033:03:26:10 47,867 115 09/09/2016 0:034:20:29:02 52,117 124 09/08/2016 0:033:16:22:59 48,846 117 09/07/2016 0:032:21:32:51 59,671 126 09/06/2016 0:024:01:01:40 68,074 143 09/05/2016 0:025:00:03:48 100,922 246 09/04/2016 0:037:04:03:56 142,477 328 09/03/2016 0:006:17:58:19 28,445 77 9/5 Scenario 1: Computer is running Windows 10, Installed WCG Client (Latest), All compute settings set with no restriction. CPU Usage does not exceed 80%, hovers around 77%. Each core has inconsistent load. Approx time to complete a batch of work unit 7 hours. Work units being worked on at once 25-30. 9/7 Scenario 2: Computer is running Windows 10, Installed BOINC Client (Latest) from Berkeley website, All compute settings set with no restriction. CPU Usage is at a constant 100%. Each core has full load. This time however each batch is now 14-20 hours. Work units being worked on at once is 45-50. 9/11 Scenario 3: Got fed up with the inconsistency, Fresh install Windows 7, shut down all non essential services for minimum OS load. Installed WCG Client (Latest). All compute settings non restrictive, 10GB hdd space, 0.00 multiprocessor, 1 day min work que, 100% usage. CPU usage hovering around 70%, Time to complete a work unit 6-8 hours (still taking notes on this). Work units being worked on at once 26. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Marty@MM at Sep 11, 2016 6:51:55 PM] |
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Sgt.Joe
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On advanced view please go to the "advanced" tab and then to "event log" and post the first 75 to 100 lines on startup. This may give us some clue as to the settings you are using and how BOINC is seeing your system.
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Hey Joe,
----------------------------------------After you pointed me to the log I noticed that with the version downloaded fromWCG it was forcing the max cpu count to 32. However even when I managed to get it up to the full 48 with the version located on the Berkeley website it was running even slower. Anyways i found out the problem was HyperThreading. After I disabled it all 24 physical cores handle their own work unit in about 2 hours. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Marty@MM at Sep 13, 2016 1:43:26 AM] |
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Sgt.Joe
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You might mark this thread as resolved if you feel the problem is fixed. Hope we helped a little bit.
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Sgt. Joe
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Marty@MM,
From close observation, you can just set your client to 50% of processors **, which then allows 24 of your 48 threads, at which point the OS does not use hypertheading i.e. you would still have benefit of the feature for other purposes than crunching. ** Alternate, there's the <ncpus>n<ncpus> config option in cc_config.xml to limit the client. <ncpus>N</ncpus> .A third way is to set a limit is in app_config.xml, telling WCG specifically not to run more than NAct as if there were N CPUs; e.g. to simulate 2 CPUs on a machine that has only 1. To use the number of available CPUs, set the value to -1 (was 0 which in newer clients really means zero) [<project_max_concurrent>N</project_max_concurrent>] You can even give it a limit at app level with <max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>The manual: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration Some large device owners have reported a performance issue with [IIRC] HSTb when going over 32 threads on a 64 threaded system... something gets saturated, but not heard of this being an issue for the other science. |
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Hey SekeRob,
That system is dedicated to crunching so physically shutting down HT won't be an issue but thanks for the info on how to lower multiprocessor usage! I really though this issue was resolved with the clear indicator on how fast it was processing units but the points are not reflecting it. Can you verify if these look correct to you? These are the stats over 24 hours. It doesn't seem right to me and I can't figure out whats going on. The first setup was pulling 140k points per day when I first joined now its pulling in the same amount as my i5 rig? I'm worried the computers processing power is going down the drain. The client is reporting 24 active work units and they are all chugging along nice and quick at about 2-3 hours per batch of 24 work units. Is this actually on my end? Setup 1: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2658 V3 (24 Cores @ 2.3GHz) Statistics Date Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) Points Generated Results Returned Now: 09/13/2016 0:013:10:10:31 38,667 134 Then: 09/04/2016 0:037:04:03:56 142,477 328 Setup 2: 1x Intel Core i5-4690k (4 Cores @ 4 GHz) Statistics Date Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) Points Generated Results Returned 09/13/2016 0:003:20:12:50 33,355 68 |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
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----------------------------------------Setup 1: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2658 V3 (24 Cores @ 2.3GHz) Statistics Date Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) Points Generated Results Returned Now: 09/13/2016 0:013:10:10:31 38,667 134 Then: 09/04/2016 0:037:04:03:56 142,477 328 Setup 2: 1x Intel Core i5-4690k (4 Cores @ 4 GHz) Statistics Date Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) Points Generated Results Returned 09/13/2016 0:003:20:12:50 33,355 68 The first difference is the number of validations assumed to be due PV Jail as we refer to ** ... New 134 v Old 328. At 2 hours, those would be guesstimated as being OET/ZIKA maybe UGM (They run regular and an hour longer though). 324*38,667/134 gives about 95K points. Delays in validation is suggested. The Time stat also indicates same 13:10 days v 37:04, so would suggest to let it rip a few days to stabilize the validation flow, where 24 cores at 24/24 would eventually balance at producing... ~24 days of runtime daily. Keep in mind that though hyperthreading slows the results, there's a general uplift at the end of about 15 percent or more production... not necessarily in points, which is an extremely dodgy measure with the broken credit logic in place (search forums for discussion, many). ** Visit My Contribution > Result Status to review your returns. [Edit 2 times, last edit by SekeRob* at Sep 14, 2016 3:22:23 PM] |
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Former Member
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I will look further into how the point system is calculated and decide if I'm going to turn back on HT. I will have to learn more about this PV jail as well. In the meantime I will let the computer stabilize as you suggested and see what happens.
I appreciate all the info. It helped put a lot of pieces together. Thanks again! |
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