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Former Member
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News item in DR (Denmark's Radio - a public service radio/TV corporation financed by mandatory annual fees) excerpted and translated from Danish by me:
----------------------------------------"Bacteria committee to safeguard Denmark against a global disease problem. Fever and cough are typical signs of a common, harmless pneumonia, but in the future it could become a disease we die from. The bacteria of the disease can develop so that it is not broken down by our present day medicine. Several politicians fear that scenario, and they therefore suggest assembling the experts in this field in a permanent ’bacteria committee'. Multi restistant bacteria (MRSAs) are one of the biggest threats to health in Denmark and globally, because it’s scary that we all of a sudden can die from ordinary diseases [the politicians have discovered after decades of warnings]. WHO, too, focuses on resistant bacteria: 10 million people are at risk to die each year from this cause. What is MRSA CC398? MRSA is a multiresistant staphylococcus bacteria. This particular strain infecting pigs is known as CC398 and has claimed several lives of people around the globe. In Denmark one person died in 2012, two in 2013 and in April of 2014 the bacteria claimed its fourth victim in connection with an outbreak at a nursing home for the elderly. In 2006 nobody in Denmark was diagnosed with MRSA CC398. Today upwards of 12,000 Danes are infected – most without knowing it. In order to fight MRSA in Denmark an expert group has been formed twice, and now they have produced their final recommandations. The Danish Veterinary Association was represented in that group, and they – as do the politicians [now]– think it’s proper to make the the group permanent." Denmark raises a lot of pigs, and for years on end in particular one professor, Hans Jørn Kolmos, has tried to get the attention of the politicians informing of the dangers of neglecting the spread of MRSA in pig populations and creating multi resistant bacteria strain by exaggerated use of antibiotics for pure prophylactic reasons by pig farmers, warning of the danger of MRSA spreading to humans. As often is the case, his wise words were heeded too late. I suppose the MRSA issue affects many countries rearing pigs on a large scale, and I hope WCG soon will get the chance to support a project researching into the development of new types of antibiotics which will be needed urgently sooner than we want to know. I should welcome your comments and like to learn how you tackle this issue in your pig raising country, and what fears you may have yourself as an individual, as a citizen of your country, and as a citizen of the World. EDIT: Color tagging of the first paragraph removed for æstethical reasons. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Dec 3, 2017 5:27:42 AM] |
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Sgt.Joe
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MRSA - Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus.
----------------------------------------I used to work in an environment where we dealt with this infection probably at least 10 to 15 years ago. We encountered a few individuals with it. they were treated with a cocktail of several different antibiotics and we were successful in getting the infection cured. To the best of my recollection, it was in individuals who had practiced particularly bad hygiene habits. We were also told the infection was highly transmissible with skin to skin contact. Stearns County is one of the leading counties in Minnesota producing feeder pigs for transport to other places for finishing. Most of the farmers I know prefer to keep as many people as possible out of their farrowing barns to reduce the chances of introducing any diseases into their operations. This also holds true for the many dairy, turkey and chicken producers in the area. I know there has been much written about the overuse and prophylactic use of antibiotics and how those practices have accelerated the development of resistant strains. I do not know much about the current practices of the prophylactic use of antibiotics in the feed, but do know that any producer who wants to continue to make a profit will use best practices and if that includes no prophylactic antibiotics in their supply, they will do it. Cheers
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Capt. Joe, it’s always a pleasure reading your posts. You have collected an amazing quantity of information and experience from knowledge of Latin across knowing just about every handle in the IT world and WCG, you are able to plan not the fastest but the safest way to cut down that large tree in your mother's yard, and now you reveal yet another side of yourself, and I shouldn't be surprised to find more.
----------------------------------------Yes, the root of the problem is to a wide degree pig farming in a way it should not be done. Digging even deeper, we are ourselves a large part of the problem because we think pork (and many other farm products) should be next to free. Another danger is a very liberal and in many cases unnecessary dispense of antibiotics to people, and people not being disciplined or informed of the importance of sticking to the regime of carrying through with the cure to the very last pill even as they already feel cured. I understand that’s the way restistant tuberculosis strains pop up. Statens Serum Institut (SSI) is under the auspices of the Danish Ministry of Health and has as their main duty to ensure preparedness against infectious diseases and biological threats as well as control of congenital disorders, and they inform thusly: In Denmark, MRSA 398 is primarily found in pigs. The first case among pigs in Denmark was found in 2007. There are many indications that the spread in Danish piglets in 2006-2007 was relatively modest, which is in contrast to the Netherlands, where 60-80% of herds were already infected at that time. In 2014, a sample survey of 206 slaughter herds and 72 breeding and development farms showed that respectively 63% and 68% of farms were MRSA positive. Similarly, 65 organic pig farms were examined in 2014, and it was found that 4 (6%) were positive for livestock MRSA 398. The prevalence of MRSA in chickens was last investigated in 2010, where MRSA was not found. The incidence of other types of livestock is not systematically investigated. MRSA has been found in some mink (mink fed with pig waste and foreign poultry) and in some samples from milk. Finds of MRSA 398 in people with contact to horses may give reason to suspect that Danish horses may also be infected. In addition to MRSA 398, Denmark has described few cases of other MRSA types in animals. The farms that weather this the best are owned by farmers that on the average have higher goals than most. They run organic farms, they keep their animals outside with lots of roaming space and huts for resting and sleeping. When the pigs are inside they have far more space, and the piglets stay with the sows for as long as they should to let their own immune systems develop into working order. And of course the pork from these farms is more expensive. I feel that ’the train has departed already’, and that Alexander Fleming’s discovery of penicillin is badly in need of a replacement, a task that the pharmaceutical companies don't seem to find all that attractive. So far, the infection cases have been few and far between, but in my mind it is a ticking bomb that can explode any time keeping in mind that bacteria have unbelievable abilities to mutate and do it fast in order to protect and defend themselves. EDIT: Several issues of language and meaningfulnes character. Hope it's better now. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Dec 4, 2017 7:38:03 AM] |
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Former Member
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Best as you think we are in dire straits some hope shines [excepted by me, translated by Google and me - edited by me]:
A group of researchers from Aarhus University, Denmark, has discovered that medicines intended to treat sclerosis patients also can be used to kill multiresistant bacteria. So writes Videnskab.dk. The discovery can be of great importance as the threat of multiresistant bacteria has grown over the past few years. Bacteria have over time become resistant to common antibiotics, which complicates the treatment of banale and simple infections. Every year, 25,000 Europeans die as a result of infections with multiresistant bacteria, and the European Commission has warned that, by 2050, they will potentially cause more deaths than cancer. Until just a few decades ago, doctors found no resistance among the bacteria living in the colon of the human. But now they have been found even with very young children. But now it appears that existing sclerosis medicine can get the shovel under some of the multiresistant bacteria. There are great perspectives in this because we get an additional means to fight some multiresistant bacteria in a patient group, which we otherwise have trouble dealing with," says Thomas Vorup-Jensen, Professor Mso (with special tasks) at Department of Biomedicine at Aarhus University, to Videnskab.dk. "Bacteria will always develop resistance sooner or later, but if we know how they do, we may slow down the process and have an effective antibiotic for a long time," he says. The discovery is part of a new trend in pharmaceutical research, where one tries to reuse existing medicines against diseases other than those they originally were intended for. That way you can save decades on research and billions of dollars. "It's extremely expensive to develop new medicines and takes a very long time, which we cannot wait for, for example, when fighting resistant bacteria. Therefore, repurposing is a very interesting way to find new uses for old drugs, "says Thomas Vorup-Jensen |
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alged
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Very interesting yr posts abt MRSA.I since tried do to do some research abt it but as we say in France there is "a lack of transparency".Last studies date 2008 and 2011 -nothing after- and of course the big lobby of porc industry is not concerned; no link pork to humans.
----------------------------------------Doutbs... two friends of mine just got a resistant germ after a short stay in two different hospitalisé near Paris.  |
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alged
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sorry correction: "two different hospitals near Paris"
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I read your post as an expression that France is being rather secretive about MRSA, alged, am I right?
So you have no data in France about MRSA as new as the ones I posted from Denmark which were not all that new? Profit optimizing and very influential lobbying by Danish farmers’ organisations tried to silence protests in Denmark as well. Most vets served the pig farmers unquestioning, also. That was why the majority of MPs chose to turn their deaf ears to Mr Hans Jørn Kolmos and other researchers and knowledgeable people who tried to warn about mess being created by indiscriminating use of veterinary antibiotics. Finding the bacteria in mink (who sometimes are let out of their cages and into nature by animal rights activists), in samples of milk and in horses, is alarming, I think. stefada of team Kraland comes from Bretagne, and he told that the majority of pig farmers there also put profit ahead of animal – and consequential human – health and welfare. He also tells that the pollution of the water caused by the by products of pig farming is so massive that it will take 100 years for it getting clean again. I think it is a serious matter that people contract MRSA in hospitals near Paris. How are your friends treated for their infections? |
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Well for the mom they are quite stable.Doctors are trying different kind of treatments.They did not tell me whether it is MRSA or not.
----------------------------------------That's why i say "resistant germ";I do not want to propagate false info.I know there are many "resistant germs" of different origins The inquiry taking place in Denmark is interesting and i hope they imitate it in France to break this "culture of silence" |
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Sorry about using MRSA which you did not say.
You said "a resistant germ" which could be anything inclusive of MRSA. I'm glad your friends are stable, and I wish they will be cured soon. I was not aware that France is so secretive about matters like this. Do you think is has to do with lobbying from farmers' organisations? (I'm afraid I know very little about France in general). How is the public informed? Do you have doctors wanting to speak out? Do you have activist groups dealing with the issue? |
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Master Cruncher FRANCE Joined: Jun 12, 2009 Post Count: 2358 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hey little mermaid ! a lot of questions indeed !
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