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NixChix
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Post Count: 1187 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The automatic 6 month warning has popped up on the Research Page (showing July 2018). Is there more FAHB work to be loaded into the feeder? (These warnings always make me uneasy when I see them
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Dayle Diamond
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It would be sort of weird of they invented their shiny new Asynchronous Compute method and only ran it on a "large scale benchmark test" before shutting down.
----------------------------------------See link, but know that completion percentages are out of date by design - they only count batches that are complete and delivered back to the team. https://fightaidsathome2.cst.temple.edu/status.html [Edit 1 times, last edit by Dayle Diamond at Jan 20, 2018 7:18:12 PM] |
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NixChix
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Post Count: 1187 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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See link, but know that completion percentages are out of date by design - they only count batches that are complete and delivered back to the team. "out of date by design"? That's odd. I don't know what WCG is using to compute percentage complete. A reasonable person would believe that it is work done divided by total work to do. Using the figures on that page I calculate that 34,246,150 out of 144,448,000 total WUs have been completed, which is 24%. So why does the Research Overview show 83% completion for FAHB? I don't go to the off-site project pages for information. (Why should I need to?) I should be able to rely on the status shown on the Research Overview page. Why should I have to go to so much trouble to find that out? I am baffled and frustrated by the mis-information. How hard is it for WCG to use the same figures as the FAHB scientists? Don't the 2 teams talk to one another?https://fightaidsathome2.cst.temple.edu/status.html Cheers |
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Former Member
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Back in November, Keith said:
The estimator is based off batches completing, with the change from AsyncRE, many batches completed at the same time. Since these work units create grand children, it means a batch stays around for a long time. The project is not going to be completing anytime soon. |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2982 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Back in November, Keith said: The estimator is based off batches completing, with the change from AsyncRE, many batches completed at the same time. Since these work units create grand children, it means a batch stays around for a long time. The project is not going to be completing anytime soon. Although having a quick search, I can't just find the exact/latest quote, I do believe that the Research Progress page is due to be/is being revised - as discussed in a post by ErikaT back in April 2017 see link Changes to the progress bars have to be discussed, designed, implemented, etc. And, at this time, that work is not planned to begin until later this year. Obviously, I don't know as to the progress of this (or even if it's reached the top of their extensive 'to do' list yet), but I certainly wouldn't rely too much on those estimates.FYI, when a project is genuingly nearing the end of it's workload, the WCG techs' generally put out a '30 day' notice, warning people of this.  |
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Dayle Diamond
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Folks, the percentages in the LINK PROVIDED are out of date by design. Just saying they use a different system and the numbers should be compared with caution.
Can we not beat the dead horse that is WCG estimation accuracy? |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The automatic 6 month warning has popped up on the Research Page (showing July 2018). Is there more FAHB work to be loaded into the feeder? (These warnings always make me uneasy when I see them )Cheers FAAH is paused now, but it ran 10y. Do you think that FAHB is going to last only 3y?  Probably it's just a pause, but will be postponed, as the WUs generate more work to be done... |
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NixChix
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Post Count: 1187 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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So far I've learned to trust nothing that is posted, whether it is that there is only six months left or that "more work" is coming. Those that have been here for a while know that. I would like to have information that I can trust. I don't think that is too much to ask for.
----------------------------------------The statement that the Research Page is "out of date by design" make no sense. Why would someone design something to show incorrect information. Percentage complete is a simple calculation. WCG *knows* how much is complete. The only other part is how much is there to do. If stupid me can do that, then the folks that are so much smarter than me certainly can. A 30 day warning is not much time to make an end-game plan. Many of us don't have that much crunching power. Cheers |
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KLiK
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& now you see that it's back to 81% & the End month completion date is gone!
----------------------------------------A 30 day warning is not much time to make an end-game plan. Many of us don't have that much crunching power. I 2nd that. That's why I'm keeping track of ECDs twice per month. So many of us can plan in advance. They are not as accurate as we want it (to the exact date), but they are better than not having them. As many things do variate: - batches (experiments) of WU - available computer power - seasonal vacations - heat seasons / colds etc. |
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NixChix
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Post Count: 1187 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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& now you see that it's back to 81% & the End month completion date is gone! The estimated end date moved a few days back to 2018-07-29. The warning might be back in a week.A 30 day warning is not much time to make an end-game plan. Many of us don't have that much crunching power. I 2nd that. That's why I'm keeping track of ECDs twice per month. So many of us can plan in advance. They are not as accurate as we want it (to the exact date), but they are better than not having them. As many things do variate: - batches (experiments) of WU - available computer power - seasonal vacations - heat seasons / colds etc. ECD is affected by the factors that you mention KLiK. However, percentage complete is simple and is not affected by those factors. There is a big difference between 24% complete and 84% complete. I know that you have been estimating ECD for quite some time. I would have a nice 10yr UGM badge instead of being a month short if I had paid attention to your estimates in October 2016 instead of the WCG estimates. There was a warning back then and I tried to complete 10 years on MCM before it completed rather than prioritizing on UGM. MCM didn't end and is still running even now, but UCM is the project that quickly ended. That was WCG mis-information back then giving incorrect percentage completion and end dates.  Again, I don't understand the statement that the progress is designed to be inaccurate. We all know that ECD is an estimate, that is what the "E" stands for. However, progress complete is not an estimate and is pretty easy to do when you have the 2 numbers needed at your fingertips, which WCG has. Cheers |
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