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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Figure this:
----------------------------------------Workunit Name Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 Pending Validation 06/18/2006 22:08:16 06/19/2006 16:24:08 7.44 0 / 0 faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 In Progress 06/18/2006 22:06:07 06/25/2006 22:06:07 0.00 0 / 0 faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 Pending Validation 06/18/2006 22:05:19 06/19/2006 14:00:48 9.88 54 / 0 Someone turning in a WU before ever running a benchmark 
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My guess would be it errored but the science application returned a success code. It's not impossible.
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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This is very unusual. There are a total of 12 results (out of 142,959 results currently in the database) with a successful outcome but no claimed credit. All but one of these results are from the same computer. The computer has no benchmark data in the database. I will send a message to that computer and ask the user to force the benchmarks to run or to update to the 5.4.9 client.
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Okay Kevin.....the quorum is 0, 54 (a slower machine @ 10 hours) and mine which sits in queu for scheduled sending @ 61. Logically 54 will be the middleman awarding that claim to all.
----------------------------------------Curious, but could it be someone that copied the BOINC directory plus subs to a new machine...you might want to ask him.....read of people swapping disks and moving the whole shabang over....something lost in translation.
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Former Member
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I think Sekerob should have "Eagle Eye" appended to his Senior Cruncher title for spotting that one
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Turns out, this machine with 11/12 zero point claims, send in a "invalid" this time....
----------------------------------------Workunit Name Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 Valid 06/21/2006 07:00:17 06/22/2006 08:09:44 5.60 69 / 69 faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 Invalid 06/18/2006 22:08:16 06/19/2006 16:24:08 7.44 0 / 0 faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 Valid 06/18/2006 22:06:07 06/21/2006 06:58:12 8.59 79 / 69 faah0652_ d418cb287_ x1hpv_ 00 Valid 06/18/2006 22:05:19 06/19/2006 14:00:48 9.88 54 / 69 I thought that 'invalids' would still get points awarded equal to the 'middleman' determining the quorum, but seemingly zero are given 
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Don't know where you got that idea! :-)
Invalid results are errors, and get zero. Nothing. Nada. A few people have disputed this policy, but it seems fair to me. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Can you please point me to this nop nada policy...cant locate, which is why i asked! Also, can you dig out the results list for ey241_04. It had 7 copies send out and last i saw it had 4 inconclusives, 1 error and 2 in progress....it dropped off my results status list, so clueless how that ended up.
----------------------------------------My opinion is, that if someone crunched and hands a result in which has all the marks of completion, sends it in and gets a pending validation, the work was done and points should be awarded as determined by the valid quorum....something to that effect i read. If it is nop-nada, than how does this jive with how the UD points are awarded? thx
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Former Member
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But BOINC gets twice as many points as UD, triple if you know Truxoft BOINC. It's never gonna jive. If you read your Cruncher's Contract carefully you won't find anything that requires BOINC and UD to jive. Same for returning invalid/inconclusive results so nop-nada stands. Who cares?
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Former Member
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Hello Sekerob,
Units disappear from your Results page 4 days after they complete. In this case, the work unit completed with 4 Inconclusives. BOINC pays off for Valid results. UD pays off for anything that is not an Error. These are different scoring systems. Perhaps UD would also restrict the payouts the same way if it did not award points as soon as the result was returned. Lawrence |
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