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Capt Crunch
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cowboy Cuba Who!?! cowboy

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Re: cowboy Cuba Who!?! cowboy

Makes sense. Certainly not all citizens of these countries stand 100% behind all of their governments actions, but to impose sanctions on a government is to impose sanctions on all of it's people. It's an unfortunate reality. Either dislike the US for the sanctions or dislike your government for causing the sanctions to be enforced.

In this instance I would have to raise the issue that sometimes even prisoners are allowed to work when it is for the common good.
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"There's a place for us...."

Wow, I'm getting too old for this.

My mistake. I shouldn't have blamed IBM, WCG, United Devices, or anyone in particular for cleansing the list.


The list of countries at UD's grid.org does not have Cuba listed in their drop-down list of countries either, so I don't think there was any cleansing by IBM or WCG which uses the UD software.

http://www.grid.org/stats/geos/

In the meantime, perhaps those out there without a country, or who find themselves in a country not particularly friendly to them, can consider affiliating their nationalism with the island nation of Mauritius. A 2001 report from the United Nations described it as follows:

"In spite of the existing communal and lingusitic differences, Mauritius is famous across the world for having by and large successfully managed diversity. With a mix of various ethnic groups, cultures, languages, and religions which in many other countries create a chaotic situation, Mauritius has succeeded in creating a stable and harmonious society... It is a place where each community values its own special identity and still respects the other communities making allowance for their right to their different identities. It is one of the few remarkable success stories in the developing world..."

This small peaceful island nation is currently #43 out of the 112 ranked teams on WCG, which is not bad for a 720 square mile nation.

Perhaps we can show our support for this example of tolerance, where Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian and others live in harmony, and respect one another.

And although the world clearly is far from reflecting this example of peace, perhaps we can come together in this forum and respect the views of others who share our belief in the WORLD COMMUNITY part of the WCG. I know that everyone on this forum shares a common goodwill, or they wouldn't be here, even if some of them don't always reflect their charity and compassion, which has been on occasion "less than readily apparent" in their postings.

Feel free to join me in peaceful and tolerant Mauritius, or continue supporting your individual countries with a competitive spirit, as that works to recruit new members to the grid and help the project as well.

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PS: Since WCG did not recognize San Francisco as a country unto itself (which I am sure would please many!), I gave serious thought to defecting to Canada. However, I realized that Canada would need 4000 additional defectors to have a chance to move them up a single spot from their current #2 in the geography standings, so I decided to go with Mauritius. I noted my numbers alone have been able to move Mauritius up about 15 places in the country standings, from #58 to #43! Makes me feel that one person maybe can make a difference sometimes!


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Re: "There's a place for us...."

It has been argued that the United States was the most culturally diverse country in the world. However, I think India or a number of other countries might take issue with that arguement. If you're going to join a team, it might as well be my buddy's team here...under the name of America (USA)



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Re: What happened to CUBA?

Well, as expected earlier, It's all cow BUSHIT cow :
I just found this post in the User-News (not new Users) - Forum:

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The United States government has imposed sanctions on specific countries, restricting transactions with those nations. Since World Community Grid is hosted in the United States, these restrictions apply.


Sounds perfectly reasonable. Does it not?

A quick check revealed that alien 2 Seti@home alien 2 (hosted in Berkeley, which is in the flag US flag I believe) has contributing members in:
Afghanistan, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Lybia, Sudan, Syria.
(http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/countries.html)

So, bbover3, you just trying to get this out of the way in the pre-Xmas rush? What's true for SETI is not true for WCG? P_LEASE!
How DARE the powers in charge use the name WORLD COMMUNITY grid and then rule part of that world unfit to contribute?
And....
Hasn't Afghanistan been brought back into the happy happy group of democratic nations under the oh so courageous leadership of the US commander in Chief? And they still aren't good enough?

Sir, have you NO decency?


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Re: What happened to CUBA?

astronoid here's a cut and paste from my understanding of IBM's and WCG's position in the similar thread in Member-to-Member support

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OK IBM,WCG are based in the US and therefore their hands are tied by the law's of that land as they stand today. As such, as a company located in America they are not allowed to export software to countries that there is a American legal embargo on today. That exportation of software includes the deployment of the WCG agent, a piece of software, to those countries.

Hence the following countries are not in the drop down list.

CUBA
IRAN
NORTH KOREA
LIBYA
SUDAN
SYRIA

This is not WCG making these rules, this is not IBM making these rules, this is the law in the USA and as such has to be adhered to otherwise this project could not continue to run.

I too aspire to the idea that this project crosses all country boundaries which is one of the beauties of the Internet. But hopefully you will see that this requirement has to be accommodated in this way.

Regards

Dave

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I will campaign to get this changed it may even be necessary to lobby the US Government to get this ban lifted for the software that powers this worldwide project that is in the final count for the benefit of all Mankind.

Please keep crunching - we need to rise above necessary legalise like this and see the bigger picture

Regards

Dave
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Re: What happened to CUBA?

David,

Like I said in the parallel thread http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1070, The prohibition on software export from the US to those six countries would not be violated by the inclusion of those countries in the member profile edit page. Omitting those countries from the profile edit page does not prevent export of the WCG agent software to those countries.

I can pick any country I want in my profile, it may mean that I live there, or maybe I used to live there, or maybe that I have some sentimental attachment to that place. It is completey independent of my current geographical location, but is being treated here as if this unvalidated optional user setting is critical to the enforcement of US export laws. If these export laws are really that important, then I sure hope WCG and IBM have implemented some other preventative measure to prevent people in those six countries from downloading the WCG agent software.

I guess I just don't see the link between the optional profile setting and the US export law. Adding those countries to the drop down liost does not mean that laws are being broken. Omitting them from the list does not mean that laws are not being broken. The list is completely independent from the country to which a members downloads the WCG agent software.

Looking at the map at the bottom of the global stats page ( http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/global.html ) more than hald of the members are not registered to one of the geographical regions. If you assert that the country setting in a user's profile is accurate, then that means that over half of the WCG members do not live within the boundaries of any country on the planet. I don't want to sound like No-MAD, but isn't the US worried about the fact that the majority of WCG members are extraterrestrials? Seems like there should be export laws against that wink


Anyway, I am in the USA, and I think those six countries should be added to the list.
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Re: What happened to CUBA?

What can I say Joatman you are right if we want to be extraterrestrials we can be and apparantly 2/3 of members are (good on you smile)

So if you download from Mars then that's just cool.

I think we have a case and that we should lobby the US government for an exception, you might be a tad closer to Washington than me though smile

This would certainly raise the profile of the World Community Grid and would focus our attention on something more constructive than tearing lumps out of each other

Joatmon would you like to start a petition thread? Just respond with your member name - no country - no abuse - no flames, just your member name to register your support.

Maybe we can make a difference.

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Re: What happened to CUBA?

That's a good point joat.

There must be thousands of extraterrestrials that are unaccounted.

When it comes to software and international sactions I think people usually would rather err on the side of caution. Whenever there is something that is not clear it only makes sense to just leave out a few names and deal with explaining it to the public rather than dealing with a lawsuit. I don't think WCG (or really anyone for that matter) gives a rats arse about who uses this software.
Keep in mind that China has a very large percentage of pirated software (perhaps nearly 90%). China is not part of the international copyright treaty, in other words these Chinese sites are legal in their country of hosting so there is very little anyone can do about it.
So any software that is created in the US will likelybe copied in China and other similar places and then distributed without restrictions.
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rose Free Bobby!

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Look at what happened to Bobby Fischer for breaking a Sanction
Kinda rough for play'n a few games of Chess. After seeing that. And joatmon's Post on: Dec 21, 2004 6:27:41 PM.
I'll vote for inclusion.
But as to the Fairness vs Value vs Hassle? All factors in.
Fairness wins Because "The Grid" as a whole is a Charity Endeavor.
But it might be easier to just "down" some of the Extra Ter's with
a Join Button! alien 2

Us "Bobs" got to stick together!
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