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Tom WCG
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WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

I indicated that I wanted to run AfricanClimate@Home in my device profile, but Boinc kept sending me other projects. I tried making AfricanClimate my exclusive choice (other projects disallowed), I ended up with idle system with no projects to run. I want to run AfricanClimate because I think my system is perfect for it.

I have been successfully running all projects offered by WCG for over a year. My notebook has Intel Core 2 Duo T7200, 160 GB HDD with about 11 GB free on drive C: and 2GB of RAM. I am also using 1 mbps ADSL connection.

What went wrong? crying

Thank you.
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Re: WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

Additional information: My system's virtual memory (swap file) is turned off. I will not turn it on because I do not want sensitive stuff written there behind my back. However, I expect 2 GB of RAM to be plenty.
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Re: WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

Actually, presently a Beta is conducted to resolve a bug, so no work at all is available for the regular project.

There are at the moment only 820 work units per cycle plus the extras for those jobs that failed. Add to that the minimum requirements to include higher speed DSL and the chance of actually getting AC@H is rather small, hence why WCG recommend to have the 'other projects' option selected.

It is expected as when the simulations branch out, more work will be available, but at the moment it is: Run a Batch, Analyse and Prepare next Batch.

Added: As for switching off swap file, if RAM is big enough and you have the 'Leave in Memory' option on it may or may not work. The models are big. There is an option in windows to erase the swap file content when shutting down. Chances of anyone getting at that part are very outside, at least in using PCs for over 25 years not heard of cases extracting sensitive information from that file, whatever is considered 'sensitive' from your perspective.
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Re: WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

Chances of anyone getting at that part are very outside, at least in using PCs for over 25 years not heard of cases extracting sensitive information from that file, whatever is considered 'sensitive' from your perspective.

Off topic I know, but it does happen a lot. The pagefile (swap file, VM, etc...) and unused space on a hard drive can contain valuable data for extended periods of time. The less a hard drive is written to, the longer the chances are that the data will remain. So many people think that simply reformatting their hard drives wipes out the data...
If a person is worried about enabling swap files, flash drives can be used for this. I know it wears them out quicker, but with prices being dirt cheap for these things, a 1-4GB flash drive could be used as a swap file and taken out when the computer is not in use.
Again, sorry for the off-topic reply, just throwing in my 2 cents.

Back on topic, Tom, is there any reason why you don't want to run FAAH, HPF2, or DDDT? I have opted for the ACH,as well as the other three, but have yet to see a WU for ACH. You should check at least one other project so your machine will be utilized, not just idle and waiting for ACH work. There is the option to send work from other projects if no work is available for the one you checked, so that might work also. Those C2D machines can really push those work units out also, with very manageable processor temps, even at 100%.
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Re: WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

Thanks Sekerob & joneill003 for your comments.

1. No worry. I feel good being part of WCG and NEVER leave my laptop idle when it is turned on. I leave project screening to WCG and will happily run anything it offers. I simply like to try out to see what new projects are like. Usually, I try every project available, then settle on the one that is the most demanding on RAM (because I have plenty left). Also, except for forcing in new projects, I always check the box that allows different projects if the main one is unavailable.

2. joneill003's comment about swapfile is very helpful. No need to apologize there. I use encryption software to protect privacy and do not trust what Windows may dump into the swapfile whenever it wants to. Fortunately, RAM is getting cheaper.

3. Just to make sure I got it right, with virtual memory off, how do I turn on the "leave in memory" switch? confused

Cheers,
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Re: WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

Here a sample link to the default custom device profile: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/v...iguration.do?name=Default

The option is called "Leave applications in memory while preempted?". Set that to Yes. In past it was helpful with multi-project clients, but the new scheduling even pauses one or the other WCG job to let another WCG job more urgent ahead. A previous project, HDC would keep the whole model of 1gb in RAM that way. That said, with VM switched off, BOINC has no option but to keep all in RAM. As for writing to flash drives and the like, timings are often too slow to work reliably. Errored results or aborts have been reported.
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My own understanding is that 'Leave in Memory' simply means to keep the task in RAM or Virtual Memory until it can be activated again. The alternative is to start at the last checkpoint. But BOINC 5.8 tries to switch jobs at checkpoints, so there is no longer any reason to say Yes, unless you have a very large swap file.

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So is there a projected or estimated time frame for this project to be running again?
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Thanks Sekerob and lawrencehardin for the explanation.
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Re: WCG does not give me AfricanClimate to run

My own understanding is that 'Leave in Memory' simply means to keep the task in RAM or Virtual Memory until it can be activated again. The alternative is to start at the last checkpoint. But BOINC 5.8 tries to switch jobs at checkpoints, so there is no longer any reason to say Yes, unless you have a very large swap file.

Lawrence

Past experience showed it kept the job in RAM at checkpoints when switching tasks, so resumption is quicker (remember my laments from early HDC days). With it off, it unloads. Large models would need time to restart fetching it from disk regardless if 5.8 and up switch at checkpoints. That latter was a major improvement to reduce loss of progress with preempting and not having LiM on. With large RAM it thus remains my recommendation.
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