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sad BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

All of my PC's are configured to use power-saving mode (configured in the BIOS to be S3 mode), and the BOINC client definitely disrupts standby mode. I've confirmed this with multiple experiments in which I set the standby mode to activate in 1 minute. The screen saver DOES kick in, but the PCs never enter standby. These PC's have the latest updated version of Windows XP and are modern dual core computers with plenty of ram and hard drive space. Prior to installing BOINC (the latest version as of Feb 15th 2008), these computers had no difficulty with standby / S3.

S3 mode differs from hibernation in that all power consumption is terminated except for RAM and certain areas of the motherboard. Pressing a key on the keyboard re-activates the computer which resumes where it was prior to standby.

I searched for "standby mode" and "standby"in this forum and found no solutions, and also searched on Google. Apparently not many people are running their computers in S3 / standby mode, and my hunch is that this is a bug in the BOINC client and will not be fixed any time soon. I tried various options in the Preferences, but had no luck.

I'm disappointed that I won't be able to donate my idle computer cycles to the World Community Grid. It was working great except for this one issue, which could be quite costly for me in terms of electricity consumption, besides the ethical qualm about leaving a PC running solely to work on the grid (i.e. the environmental/greenhouse cost and maintenance costs might outweigh the potential benefit of additional processing power).
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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

This is by design.

There is a solution. In your preferences, you can set BOINC to suspend computation after a period of user inactivity. Or, just use the "Power Saving" preset.
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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

A wave of the mouse or keyboard click should normally bring the computer out of S3 sleep. Since BOINC is designed to keep the computer busy, the above message would also be of interest.

This link mentions some things to check if the computer will not stay in S3 sleep mode. It may have something to do with magic packets and a network, though. This is a newer mode. Others here have used the older hibernation mode successfully.

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6185330.html

Check Allow This Device To Wake The Computer (Figure B). If you find that your computer will not stay in the sleep state, you may need to check Only Allow Management Stations To Wake This Computer.


My own computers are looking for cures ASAP, so I'm running them 24/7 with blank screen saver to give more cycles to the computation. I can always look at the graphics by request to check them out. 3 are connected to one monitor via an IOgear KVM switch. All I have enabled is the energy saving features of the monitor, which goes to standby after 15 minutes.

Our utility has wind power available for local use, but it still costs more than the fossil alternative (5.5 cents/kwh as opposed to 3.5 cents/kwh.). It's not the cost of the power (free) as much as the cost of the windmills, rent, and transmission lines. In other words, you can't have free power until we figure out how to meter you for it.
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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

Here's a screenshot copy from the Start Here forum topic BOINC: Website Device Profile & Local Preferences Information

You're looking for the "Stop work after computer is idle for X minutes" option.


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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

Thank goodness for Sek graphics!!!
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smile Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

Didactylos: Thanks for the information. I do have a follow-up question though. Why was BOINC designed to interfere with system standby, without notification to the end user? Of course it will result in additional cycles being generated, in the short term, perhaps as long as a week or two, but once the end user discovers this "feature" which caused his PC to remain powered all night long, then there is a considerable risk he may uninstall the client, without bothering to post a question in the forums. In my case, I have the luxury of spare time to work on this issue and learn more. From what I have seen, though, the BOINC client could use additional programmers/software designers, though due to the non-profit nature of the project, one might expect and tolerate a few rough edges here and there.

Sekerob: Thanks very much. Your message was the key. It looks as if the web-based "Device Manager" configuration offers a potential solution for me, not found in the PC-based preferences. I have selected custom device manager profiles, but my selections are not reflected on the web site. According to the information provided on the web site, I won't know whether my changes have "taken" until the next time my PC's communicate with the grid, in .2 of a day. When these changes are reflected on the web site, I can begin the series of experiments to determine whether or not S3 mode works.

Retsof: Magic packets aren't the problem, though they could be for another user. In my situation, the computers have been going to S3 sleep for two months without issue, despite actively downloading files from the network and the internet (yes, downloads were interrupted in order for the computer to get its sleep).

Hibernation mode writes to disk the contents of the RAM, rather than keeping applications in RAM, and therefore the computer takes longer to wake up. S3 wakes up in two seconds at most. The electricity consumed by keeping a charge in the RAM chips is probably quite minimal, though I haven't examined actual consumption. Also, I have experienced technical problems with hibernation mode before, whereas this is the first problem I've ever encountered with S3 mode. And the problem was not with S3 mode per se, but with the BOINC client, which according to Didactylos was actually designed to disrupt S3 mode. (?!) Oh, well.

Your hardware setup indeed sounds optimal if you are leaving the computers on 24/7. Even more efficient is if you're running motherboards with on-board video support instead of using a graphic card, and on-board sound. Global warming being where it is, not to mention the financial cost of electricity, I do have qualms against leaving any device on longer than absolutely necessary. Hopefully, one day, the nations of the world will focus their priorities on harnessing nuclear energy, the obvious practical solution, instead of wasting time and money on counter-productive warfare to defend existing sources of fossil fuels.

Thanks to all three of you. May our mutual efforts pay a dividend in the form of saved lives and enhanced human happiness and productivity!
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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

Hello drakeselah@yahoo.com,
'Designed to disrupt' is a bit harsh. BOINC is designed for easy network management. It uses the IP protocol (RPC) to communicate between the client and the BOINC Manager, which allows third-party utilities like BOINCView manage all the different clients in a network. This is meant to be a convenience for the user. It is unfortunate that a particular power-down method on some laptops is adversely affected, but the power-down feature added to BOINC compensates for this.

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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

I changed my profile on the online web site earlier today, but the changes did not migrate to my machines after twelve hours. Also, I did not find the web client a convenient or self-explanatory method of changing one's device profile. I would prefer options within the PC application, easily accessible and intuitive. Also, I don't know why I had to go through this procedure in the first place. Upon reflection, I am dismayed by the way BOINC behaved on my desktop (not laptop) PC's. There wasn't any notification of this secretive change to my powersaving configuration, which was carefully planned and deployed on a number of PC's. This angers me. It is rather creepy behavior, not at all what one would expect from a charity. Forthrightness and transparent behavior are the hallmarks of good and honest people. Secrets and hidden tricks are not.

I have begun to question the ultimate motives and purposes of world community grid. I once was a believer, but my initial assumption of forthrightness on the part of WCG has now been compromised. I would feel naive to assume that my computer cycles are being employed to find a cure for cancer, etc. Perhaps instead, the ultimate aim is to design biological weapons, clone human beings to make a master race, or design chemical weapons. Or perhaps merely the processing time is sold to third parties for profit. We would not, as end users, have anyway of really knowing the ultimate truth of the matter. For these reasons, I am opting to uninstall BOINC.
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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

I changed my profile on the online web site earlier today, but the changes did not migrate to my machines after twelve hours.
The change doesn't get transmitted until your program talks to the server again.

General comment: If you don't have anything finishing for awhile and want to change something like that or a queue change, different project set, etc., go to the BOINC project tab, highlight worldcommunitygrid, and hit the update button after you have made your change.

You may then see a message like this:
2/16/2008 9:42:39 PM|World Community Grid|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
2/16/2008 9:42:44 PM|World Community Grid|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks


followed by something like this, perhaps if work had been sent recently or your computer asked for some:
2/16/2008 9:42:44 PM|World Community Grid|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 77 sec

Nothing else happened, but my update is now known to both the server and my computer. (I didn't update anything, but told the server to look for one.)

I changed my profile on the online web site earlier today, but the changes did not migrate to my machines after twelve hours. Also, I did not find the web client a convenient or self-explanatory method of changing one's device profile.
WCG is a bit different from other BOINC projects because the old UD programs are still in use in addition to BOINC. We've got menus out there that are trying to support both at once. UD is being transitioned out over the next few months. After that, perhaps WCG can use the standard BOINC menus.

Even more efficient is if you're running motherboards with on-board video support instead of using a graphic card
That efficiency comes at the cost of taking a chunk of main memory for mobo graphics use. Extremely small computers cannot run some projects at all unless they either put a cheap graphics card in there, freeing up that memory, buying another stick of memory, if there's room for it, or setting up an extremely large windows swap files, reducing disk efficiency. It also increases the thrashing, if there is only one hard drive.

I have seem messages from folks with 256mb computers and mobo graphics of 64mb asking where their memory went. 1/4 of the memory for graphics is a significant chunk in that case.

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Re: BOINC disables powersaving (Standby Mode) on Windows XP.

Hi, drakeselah.

We are aware of the problems with the preferences. At the moment, it's a mess. However, a desire to retain backwards compatibility is slowing down change. We're working on it.

Now, I feel I need to correct a misapprehension. The reason your computer doesn't sleep is purely because BOINC is computing. At no point does BOINC change your power settings. Laptops go into a different sleep mode; they ignore whether the processor is active or not. Desktops don't do that. They assume that if your computer is busy, then you want it to be busy.

All the BOINC power saving preference does is suspend computation after a period so that the normal Windows power management can see the processor isn't in use, and shut down or sleep automatically.

If you are worried about WCG's credibility, perhaps read this article in Scientific American? http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=cancer-software-technology

Also, WCG is not a charity. It is run by IBM, and they fully fund it, they never get any money in return.
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