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damir1978
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Let's hope were not gonna have a "still under development" update on this, 12 months from now....
----------------------------------------In the mean time, my GPU is working for Folding@home right now. And I have an ATI(AMD) VideoCard. So I guess I have to wait even longer to get it work for WCG. ![]() |
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Let's hope were not gonna have a "still under development" update on this, 12 months from now.... In the mean time, my GPU is working for Folding@home right now. And I have an ATI(AMD) VideoCard. So I guess I have to wait even longer to get it work for WCG. ![]() and if we are 'still under development' in the near future, what constructive task or suggestion will you have provided, between now and then, to have shortened the time frame> No one here will mistake the difference between the hard work of program development and your chirping from the sidelines. I wanted to ease up, but it riles me to hear people making demands and announcing their petty annoyances about how the Techs are scheduling new tasks when there is no valid reason for their criticisms, little in the way of valid suggestions on how to get things done and minimal acknowledgement of the extraordinary effort still being put forward by the Scientists, Techs, Staff and CAs. We are the volunteers, responsible for crunching, and with an opportunity to ask questions and request help. That's the job description. Period. |
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damir1978
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You should've stayed at "I wanted to ease up" step.
----------------------------------------For your information, that's how things work in this world. No pressure, no achievements. That's why you have lobby groups for, isn't it? If you let some "top" people to make your priorities for you, without any of your involvement at the decision table, you WILL BE LEFT ASIDE, as your interest is no relevant for them. How long you can stay quiet before the Oil companies will make an electrical car for if you? Let me answer for you, An ETERNITY. And by the way. You know why the Big Three (Car Companies) are going bankrupt now? Because they didn't listen to clients desires about they’re products. Well... I AM a WCG Client and I want more (& faster) to be done in GPU computing. My job finishes with donating my cycles (and electricity + updating my hardware Money). The rest is up to WCG to stay on top. It is after all a competitive business DC. |
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Former Member
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I know people like to translate "I don't have any problems" as "nobody has any problems" (and vice versa), but BOINC's CUDA implementation does have problems. Keep up with the development process, and you too can know this. The BOINC developers are rewriting it all yet again (and taking a path that ignores the objections of many in the BOINC community).
So, it may work - kind of. But it's not ready. It's not reliable, and it's definitely not mature. It's not even finished. As for the benefits of GPU computing.... cut away the hype, and what do you have? A very expensive way of computing a little faster. I suppose I could try to compile a list of known problems, but it would take me all day. |
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damir1978
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I know Didactylos. And you are right about GPU Computing being a very expensive way of a little faster DC.
----------------------------------------My point is that in the last 10 years CPU DC advanced so much, even if at the begining it was also a very expensive way of DC. If I remember correctly, when SETI started, they had mainstream Pentium(1) & P2 witch were not really good for much. And those CPU's and (computers) were REALLY expensive in the range of 2000-3000$. But good ideas need to be pushed even if they are not competitive at the beginning. Now, I (personaly) can't do more than I'm doing, even if I want to. But people on certain position can. All I'm saying is: it will be nice if WCG will have a sense of urgency about GPU Computing... and a lot of positive talk on the subject too. |
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Former Member
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I know people like to translate "I don't have any problems" as "nobody has any problems" (and vice versa), but BOINC's CUDA implementation does have problems. Keep up with the development process, and you too can know this. The BOINC developers are rewriting it all yet again (and taking a path that ignores the objections of many in the BOINC community). So, it may work - kind of. But it's not ready. It's not reliable, and it's definitely not mature. It's not even finished. As for the benefits of GPU computing.... cut away the hype, and what do you have? A very expensive way of computing a little faster. I suppose I could try to compile a list of known problems, but it would take me all day. It is ready and is as reliable as some projects here. Try a look here; http://www.gpugrid.net/index.php I do not find $70+/- for a card that will crunch too expensive and is equal or less in price than a good dual core of either flavor. Your list of known problems would probably be similar to the list of problems here ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 15, 2009 11:43:39 AM] |
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Former Member
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Here is an announcement about CUDA: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/601/...ational-taiwan-university
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jesuitx
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I know people like to translate "I don't have any problems" as "nobody has any problems" (and vice versa), but BOINC's CUDA implementation does have problems. Keep up with the development process, and you too can know this. The BOINC developers are rewriting it all yet again (and taking a path that ignores the objections of many in the BOINC community). So, it may work - kind of. But it's not ready. It's not reliable, and it's definitely not mature. It's not even finished. As for the benefits of GPU computing.... cut away the hype, and what do you have? A very expensive way of computing a little faster. I suppose I could try to compile a list of known problems, but it would take me all day. If you feel that GPU processing is a waste of money, then I (with all due respect) think you've missed the point of CUDA and other technologies. People have these video cards already. Apple laptops are now shipping with a minimum of NVIDIA 9400, and many have the 9600. These things are workhorses that are going to be put to no good use otherwise. As far speed increase goes, you're simply mistaken in your opinion that the difference is small. Take a look at the folding@home statistics ( http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats ). The GPUs and Playstation 3s are kicking the crap out of Wintel machines, with far fewer running clients. The different is quite obvious. GPU processing is only going to grow more in more in popularity as shiny GUIs and low-power CPUs become the norm. The industry would much rather see all of a computer's hardware be put to use than just sit twiddling their thumbs while we await new generations of Intel/AMD processors. [Edit 1 times, last edit by jesuitx at Jan 26, 2009 7:18:52 PM] |
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Former Member
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I refer you to my other posts explaining all these things. I'm getting a little weary of being taken out of context and being forced to repeat myself. Not your fault, jesuitx. Just the result of many, many people getting really excited about an over-promoted technology that BOINC isn't quite ready for yet.
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Former Member
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I know people like to translate "I don't have any problems" as "nobody has any problems" (and vice versa), but BOINC's CUDA implementation does have problems. Keep up with the development process, and you too can know this. The BOINC developers are rewriting it all yet again (and taking a path that ignores the objections of many in the BOINC community). So, it may work - kind of. But it's not ready. It's not reliable, and it's definitely not mature. It's not even finished. As for the benefits of GPU computing.... cut away the hype, and what do you have? A very expensive way of computing a little faster. I suppose I could try to compile a list of known problems, but it would take me all day. If you feel that GPU processing is a waste of money, then I (with all due respect) think you've missed the point of CUDA and other technologies. People have these video cards already. Apple laptops are now shipping with a minimum of NVIDIA 9400, and many have the 9600. These things are workhorses that are going to be put to no good use otherwise. As far speed increase goes, you're simply mistaken in your opinion that the difference is small. Take a look at the folding@home statistics ( http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats ). The GPUs and Playstation 3s are kicking the crap out of Wintel machines, with far fewer running clients. The different is quite obvious. GPU processing is only going to grow more in more in popularity as shiny GUIs and low-power CPUs become the norm. The industry would much rather see all of a computer's hardware be put to use than just sit twiddling their thumbs while we await new generations of Intel/AMD processors. Please stop whinging and get on with the crunching. WCG is doing the best it can at this time. If you think that WCG is bad, maybe you should have tried Grid.org at it's worst. Maybe you did, I don't know. Either way, give WCG time to sort out the problems etc. |
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