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Re: New HFCC Beta test

I suspended some tasks to start the betas. I started a beta, resumed the tasks, went to increase my cache and Boinc crashed and then Windows 7 64 said it would start it next time in compatibly mode. That was new. I restarted it and it seems to running fine. I have two betas running.
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Beta's ignored by BOINC

Probably more to do with BOINC than the beta task's but BOINC is favouring processing normal tasks over beta taks. I.e. tasks are ordered by deadline, beta's go straight to the top having a shorter deadline. However BOINC continues to crunch down the list of regular tasks. Guess I assumed that the list ordering had an effect on the process order, this is not the case?
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Re: New HFCC Beta test

I reported back all 50 units that I found on my computers. Present status:
27 Valid
22 Pending Validation
1 Server Aborted.
No Error or invalid units.
This looks like the Techs did a great job again. Thank you!
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Re: New HFCC Beta test

Think that a BSOD report and this case is pure coincidence. Same science application as used for the first 26 million tasks processed for this research, probably the exact same compound database against which the tests are run. Got 8, 4 of which just arrived without knobbing the device profile, all valid, processing in under 4 hours each.

Mind you, the AutoDock based sciences credit remains dog-days on Linux, so I'm continuing to live with the feeling that my 64 bit quad client is just not fit to process these tasks efficiently. Think I need a cold cold cold beverage.
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Re: Beta's ignored by BOINC

Probably more to do with BOINC than the beta task's but BOINC is favouring processing normal tasks over beta taks. I.e. tasks are ordered by deadline, beta's go straight to the top having a shorter deadline. However BOINC continues to crunch down the list of regular tasks. Guess I assumed that the list ordering had an effect on the process order, this is not the case?

Tasks within one project (i.e. WCG in our case) at least on my computers are usually processed in the order they were received. Of course if boinc decides that one of the tasks cannot make the deadline in that order, it will give that task a high priority and process immediately.

Ordering the tasks in the boinc manager has no effect, it's just a certain view. You can open a second manager and have a different order there wink

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Re: Beta's ignored by BOINC

As martin64 indicates, BOINC principally processes LILO (an old joke played on an 'certified' auditor who spent half a day figuring out what I said). When there is panic state, the client switches to EDF (Earliest Deadline First). That latter state can easily develop when there is too much cache, cache beyond the shortest deadline, so if you run like I do with just 0.9 days, you rarely see that condition unless the DCF (Duration Correction Factor) is really blown up due to one or a few tasks that took multiples of the original estimated run time.

There's something special about the beta feed. It ignores some rules... e.g. does not look at the recent return time history. If the beta box is ticked and a client asks for work at WCG, the first pipe checked is the beta one. No reliability rating is considered... after all the sample test should include good mix of all devices to check if things break.

When running a pumped cache to hold for instance 6 days and receiving a Beta with 4 day deadline the client will at some point in time go into EDF state, to the point that some will get server aborted because these were not returned quick enough. Aborted tasks are a demerit on the reliability rating, another reason for a number of crunchers who like to get the high priority tasks to keep the cache at the WCG ideal of under 2 days.

So far this loose injection.

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Re: New HFCC Beta test

I picked up 13 so far. One went to a 266MHz system that estimates 6 days to finish the WU. That will be nice towards my silver badge.


My oldest machine (a single core laptop) got one that initially estimated at 43 hours and was running 'High Priority' but right now it's at 95% and is showing about a half hour left.
So I don't think you'll get 6 days out of that one WU. :-[

To me, this distribution did seem equitable, though... it looks like each machine that requested work while the beta WU's were available got one WU for each core.
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Re: Beta's ignored by BOINC

I tried 'pumping' cache this time to 3 days, but this tactic did not work. There must be some kind of clever counter that just won't let you download more than a 1 day of work at any given time. I could tell if the limit on my hosts has been reached or not just by looking for this message.

Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)

When I saw it, then I knew that there were more BETA work-units available for the host, and the limit has not yet been reached. Once the message had disappeared, then I knew that unless my host can upload back processed BETA tasks, there won’t be any more BETA work units for this PC.


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Re: Beta's ignored by BOINC

Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)

Means: The first copy/copies went to platform X, therefor all wingman are required to go to platform X too.

Nothing clever about stopping pumping. You can do it all you like for only 1 Beta task is allowed to be fetched per active core in a host.

Per Uplinger there were 1000 tasks that went out in quorum 3 (he notes the total of 3000 in the announcement). Per lunch 2,820 had already validated. The snap-up was exceptional as were the returns, for only when a Beta task is returned, will a new one be allowed to be fetched [a great motivational]... what with 3000, that's kind of 3-5 hours after start pretty improbable, lest there are the repairs... but this HFCC test is to me more of an affirmation than a true Beta... very few repairs.
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Re: Beta's ignored by BOINC

Sekerob, are you saying that the beta is basically already done? All WU were sent out already and almost all of them were sent back?
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