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Official Open Anti Aging Letter Created By Distinguished Scientists

54 leading scientists have made an open letter showing explicit confidence that the Disease Of Aging can and will be cured. It also serves purpose for encouraging more funding from both Citizens and Governments to allocate funding for Anti Aging Research. In fact not so much research but development. Yes, each individual can have not only a longer life, indfinite preferably infinite life, but also live youthful at the same time.

Scientists your are welcomed to to add your signatures.

Internet site address: http://cureaging.org/
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Re: Official Open Anti Aging Letter Created By Distinguished Scientists

Incredibly, this seems to be serious.

I would guess the L'Oreal scientists et. al. are grasping for international recognition - as if they didn't get enough money thrown at them.

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Hi Didactylos. These particular scientists are legitimate, not affillated with cosmetic companies of any kind. Those companies promise anti aging and do not deliver, they are liers(Those companies are interested in your money, not to cure aging). Their products only mask aging, well for a while, there comes a time when even makup, creams whatever they sell cannot hide the Disease Of Aging; I emphasize hide, like I said above, it does not do anything in the first place. Plastic surgeries, Botox, etc. do nothing, the body is still dying. There are distinct things which contribute to us aging. You or anyone else who wishes to see the causes visit the "SENS" website mentioned below.

Internet site addresses:
http://www.MPrize.org
http://www.SENS.org
Non Profit Organization which many of the scientists post and interact with regular people(Ask them any questions you might have at the Immortal Institute"Imminst", they will be happy to answer your questions):
http://ImmInst.org

I can see that you are new here, so I will just copy and paste from a similar post to give you and other new member an idea what these Professors/Scientists are all about.

In my own words:

There are dedicated scientists located at various universities all over the world who are involved in the SENS – (Strategies For Engineered Negligible Senescence) program in order to combat the disease of aging. To my knowledge, speaking to the scientists will yield more information, aging is caused by "Internal Influence" (DNA) And "External Influence" (Oxygen, Radiation, also Viruses and other living matter contribute to damage).This type of research will eventually lead to better Regeneration and Defence on the biological level. Improved regeneration which will yield tremendous possibilities, that is for example; regenerating a lost limb; Giving a blind child the gift of sight (Essentially an individual will be able to regenerate relatively any part of their body). With 100% Regeneration efficiency (All DNA and such being repaired) damage will not accumulate over time, thus we cease to age. We will be able to have better Defence against Oxygenation, Radiation, Viruses, Bacterium, Fungi and other such harmful things. With an improved immune system; As a result from genetic research, not even the HIV virus will pose any threat to us. It is simply reactions happening in our bodies whether it be oxygenation taking place, viruses or so attacking us. There are also Cosmetic applications; Knowing all the DNA, what each individual code is responsible for, will give us the ability to also choose how we look, that is; Eye colour, Height, Skin tone etcetera.

I will emphasize; As you may already know, the mitochondria has its own relative unique DNA apart from the cell’s DNA. It is responsible for metabolism. Most damage which is accumulated over time happens here.
Plant life is very much like us human animals. All Living matter whether it be animal or plant are encoded by Deoxyribonucleic Acids that is made of four basic molecules; Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine which in turn are made up of four elements Oxygen, Nitrogen, Hydrogen and Carbon.
Real life examples of Regeneration And Defence leading to Life Extension:
-Lobster has ability to regenerate broken off limbs (This type of regeneration is desired for humans)
-Earth worms, if cut in two, regenerate and become two new worms.
-Tortoises living for centuries
-Plants such as certain trees living for thousands of years and still continue to do so, not showing any signs of aging.
-Organisms dormant (Stasis) in ice for thousands of years, which when thawed, continue to function normally without any harmful effects.

Please think of it this way. The same Matter from a dead organism will eventually become part of another living organism, it is a cycle. Since Matter cannot be created nor be destroyed in this Existence, why not live as long as you wish? In conjunction with living longer one will live also live youthful.
I will add a bit more; Take Cancer for example (Many types exist, contrast each other yet at the same time all can be compared). Cancer is merely Mutations in the Genetic Code (DNA), it may be cause by many things such as radiation damaging our DNA, like in skin cancer caused by UV rays and other radiation on different frequency. It may be hereditary (Contained in the DNA), passing from parents to offspring; Many diseases are program in our DNA (Our genetic codes are not perfect, objective is to take out the bad, keep the good, and add more good coding, that is for example: Programming out DNA to have a more Intelligent and Efficient Immune and Regenerative System with More Abilities, as I mentioned above). There is also something called "The Hayflick Limit" where cells divide a certain number of times then cease to divide, this implies that it is programmed in the DNA(Internal Influence) and/or damage accumulates caused by Oxygenation, Metabolic Processes, Radiation etcetera(External Influences) which causes the cells to lose their ability to reproduce. In any case, whatever it may be, it can be solved, guaranteed.
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Re: Official Open Anti Aging Letter Created By Distinguished Scientists

Or, to put it nicely, crazy people.

While pseudo-science like this may have real applications, it rarely even fits under the heading of blue sky research.

I see several signs of pseudo-science here: firstly, the pedantic listing of blatently obvious, meaningless science. Listing elements or even DNA bases is mere padding. Pointless Capitalisation is also a Warning Sign.

Then, there's the logic: remember that many degenerative diseases are caused or exacerbated by artificially extended lifetimes. The "timebomb" mechanisms built into our genetic makeup are, in most cases, to prevent the kind of cellular damage that extreme age brings. Just turning the mechanism off will not bring about any kind of eternal life. Allow me to remind you of the laws of entropy.

Finally, you have mixed in a strange blend of real science and science fiction. Perhaps you have been watching too many films?

Aging is not a disease.
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Well that is in your mind Didactylos that it is pseudo science, your opinion, not fact. What they are are logical thinking individuals.

You for one in a way contridicted yourself saying it is pseudo science and then saying it may have real application. How can research in something which is false have any impact in reality? If one continues in a false direction the results will be non beneficial.

Didactylos: " see several signs of pseudo-science here: firstly, the pedantic listing of blatently obvious, meaningless science. Listing elements or even DNA bases is mere padding. Pointless Capitalisation is also a Warning Sign."

In what way is it meaningless? There is logic behind it, it has a cause like any other research. Elaborate more please. What? listing elements and DNA bases is relevant to the matter at hand and there is no falseness to my statement. Are you saying that DNA molecules are not made up of elements? You might wish to learn actual facts before making such an erroneous judgements. As for capitalization, I use it to stress a word and or showing abbreviation as in "DNA". Warning sign for what?

Didactylos: "Then, there's the logic: remember that many degenerative diseases are caused or exacerbated by artificially extended lifetimes."

Name some disease which are caused by extending and/or severtiy increased by extending life. Also, I notice you put "artifically". Explain the artifical means which contribute to the above. Fact: Disease are caused like I said, by (Internal Influence) and (External Influences). Maybe you talking about lets say, radiation treatment? It doesn't matter I already cover that saying that radiation may cause damage, DNA damage and so forth.

Didactylos: "The "timebomb" mechanisms built into our genetic makeup are, in most cases, to prevent the kind of cellular damage that extreme age brings. Just turning the mechanism off will not bring about any kind of eternal life. Allow me to remind you of the laws of entropy."

What timebomb and/or mechanisms are you speaking of? Do you have proof that it/they exist? Deoxyribonucleic Acids are molecules and attached to other molecules on strands of even more molecules, how can something else (Your so called "timebomb" mechanisms ) hold inside them?, well other than their constituents(Elements that make them up). You said "to prevent the kind of cellular damage that extreme age brings." Is that so, what cellular damages might that be?; Fact again: Age or "Extreme Age" to what you say does not bring cellular damage, Aging is the result of cellular damage, even as said (DNA,Metabolism). You also said "Allow me to remind you of the laws of entropy." Energy cannot be created nor be destroyed, there surely will be ways to transfer back various energy form back to other forms(Energy is simply moving Electrons, Electrons are Matter).

Didactylos: "Finally, you have mixed in a strange blend of real science and science fiction. Perhaps you have been watching too many films?"

And what may that be? Do tell the science fiction part which I apparently mixed with real science
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We die because it makes sense in evolutionary terms. Pick whatever point in our evolution you want; apes, early mammals, lizards, fish, primordial ooze. If we weren't genetically programmed to die, we would consume all our resources and starve to death before we could successfully colonize a new cave, forest, jungle, continent, whatever.

It could be that many "immortal" species have evolved in the past, only to starve themselves out of existence. Dying has been, in essence, a birth defect that happened to permit the survival of the species; a fortuitous cancer. We don't die to prevent the other infirmities of old age; we're only just now living long enough to have a chance to die of the other infirmities that were always potentially there.

Now, we have the ability to feed the people already on the planet *and* prevent an increase in population. (whether we will do that or should do that and how it would be accomplished are very different arguments). If, like many other scientific advances, we can go that "last mile" and "de-program" ourselves from death, the result won't be to live to be a very feeble 1000 yr old doddering fool, the result will be that we are perpetually as healthy as 25 yr olds.

Whether or not the above links are to reputable scientists and websites does not make the entire concept rubbish. Most of what the WCG accomplishes (genetic research) would have been considered not just laughable perhaps a century ago, but heretical a century or 2 before that. Distributed computing would have been high-falutin sci-fi deus-ex-machina theories 75 years ago. Even if the actual means of "curing" aging eludes for more than a century (which I doubt), the basic premise is not far-fetched.

What I find more complex are the implications socially, politically, globally, environmentally and even theocratically if/when we succeed. Perhaps that's a wide enough topic for its own thread?
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Oh dear me. Life's too short to argue every point with cranks, quacks and nutcases.

From what you say, I have no choice but to conclude that you really don't know what you're talking about.

Or do you really want me to shatter your delusions? Gah, go and take high school biology, then we can talk.
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Oh dear me. Life's too short to argue every point with cranks, quacks and nutcases.

From what you say, I have no choice but to conclude that you really don't know what you're talking about.

Or do you really want me to shatter your delusions? Gah, go and take high school biology, then we can talk.


Somehow I think if high school biology was sufficient to be able to refute the topic of this letter you wouldn't have any of the signatories that are associated with it, considering most of the signatories are associated with respectable academic institutions and have plenty of published work it is a bit of a stretch to call them quacks and nutcases.

It is also worth noting that as far as I'm aware none of these people are claiming that it will be possible to stop humans aging by some single intervention, but rather with periodic intervention you can prevent aging ever progressing past a certain point.
A crude analogy that is often used is to take an example of a house, whilst it is essentially impossible to build a house that will last forever it is fairly simple to periodically repair a house so that it will last as long as you maintain it. This is what a lot of these people are saying, that if you periodically intervene to repair the damage caused by aging, or rather metabolism and the other damage caused by being alive then you can greatly prolong the healthy lifespan of a human being.

I could also conclude that you really don't know what you are talking about too since in none of your posts have you actually given any logical reasoning as to why this can't be done.

Lastly given the history of science I think anyone would be very foolish to declare something as being impossible, it is generally a case of "when" rather than "if".
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Instead of explaining what I ask you to, you have once again resorted back to personal insults directed at me and others qutoe: " Life's too short to argue every point with cranks, quacks and nutcases. " I have addressed all the points you have made, not to mention you points were not factual in the first place. Here is one more fact, FACT: You are an Ignorant and Arrogant individual. Not only that, FACT: You are also a waste of Matter and Space. Didactylos you are the one who should go take high school biology, then again you are, once again have to say, Arrogant and Ignorant you would not learn a thing.

When Biological Immortality is achieved, do not know when(How long it will take) but eventually it will happen, if you still alive then, do not come running for it, stay exactly how you are insulting people and be non believing. We do not need ones like you Didactylos. You certainly have nothing constructive to offer in life, you dying would make this existence a better place.

As for individuals who are logical thinking people, please learn more, the scientists have nothing to hide, you can see it is possible. Learn the exact causes of the Disease Of Aging here, as given one of the above posts: http://www.SENS.org


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I merely gave high school biology as a prerequisite. You are right in saying that many of the areas under discussion are advanced considerably further than that.

This is where it is important to distinguish the real science from the quackery. Cell death and so on are important areas, particularly in cancer research. Making the leap from this to immortality is so stupid it beggars belief - and would severely embarrass the scientists actually working on such problems.

Why are all the crazies coming out of the woodwork today?

Just to be quite, quite clear: immortality is to biology as perpetual motion is to physics.
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