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keithhenry
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Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

First, I apologize if this is not the most appropriate place for this thread. Please move it if that is the case. In a way, this is a suggestion but it's not about the network or the WCG agents or projects. It's specifically about teams. Also, my understanding is that each team is allowed one thread in this forum for soliciting new members. Perhaps this thread could be considered the thread for WCG members NOT part of a team?

I have been a WCG member for about 14 months now and have never been a member of any team. It doesn't seem to affect how much CPU I contribute or how many WU's I complete. I've scanned thru some of the many team threads in this forum and, frankly, I get the impression that they are more used for communicating among team members than for getting new members - not that that is a bad thing mind you. According to today's statistics, there are 151,612 members. 66,666 of those are members of a team. That means there are 84,946 members who are not part of any team - ie, 1.27 non-team members for every team member. Frankly, I don't see a simple way to easily compare teams to make an informed decision about which team to join. In that case, I may simply not bother and "go away".

So here's what I am thinking. We have one additional thread in the Teams forum - call it a Team Index. it would be a single thread with one post per team allowed. It would have a standard format for content of a team's post. Non-team members could then simply read thru this one thread and be able to compare teams based on the common post format. If a team's post needed to be updated, the existing post would have to be deleted by the poster and a new post created. The standard format could have things like (not necessarily in this order):

Team Name:
Team Captain: (as per the team profile)
Team Leader: (for cases where the captain is not an active member)
Team Website URL: (for teams that have one)
Team Target Audience: (who the team targets for mebers)
Team Forum: (for teams that have one)
Link to Join:
Link to Team Page: (in WCG)
Team description: (what is so special about this team that someone would want to join it)

Right now, at best, some of this information can be found by looking one by one at the first post in each team's current thread. With a Team Index like this, From the Joing a Team link on MY GRID, I can search team names or descriptions for certain words. But I have to know what I WANT to search for. I'm searching in the dark so to speak. Maybe even the Find A Team page could include a link to this Team Index eventually.

To the admins, if this post is not appropriate, please yank it. If you're okay with it, what do you think about this? For someone wanting to join a team who tries to go thru the Teams forum to find one, the intra-team posts end up being a lot of chaff. Team captains/leaders: do you see any worth to this for your team? Do you see other entries in the standard format that should be included?

This may be streaching things here but if the Team Index was a separate forum, I could browse the individual entries and then use the Forum Search to look for entries with items that I decide are of interest to me.

The $64K question of course is would someone deciding to join a team think it would be worth the bother to look at a Team Index?

If this comes to pass and I find an entry that convinces me to join a given team, I've got (in a few days now) 250,000 unallocated points since I've never joined a team before biggrin
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

keithhenry, it all depends. If you want to join a large Team, just go ahead and do so. There are plenty here.

There are many small Teams worthy of your consideration, with all that you ask. I could mention many of them.

Good Luck! good luck
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

Hi keithhenry! Good thoughtful post!

I like being on a team because it adds another dimension to friendly competition and stats, and if I can find a goup of individuals that I have fun interacting with, so much the better.

You can always join a team, then quit and join another or just quit the team if you want to go back to being teamless...as many times as you like.

The main thing is getting the work done so whatever keeps you motivated to continue to contribute is what you should do.

Good luck!
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

Hi..

The main thing is that the work is being done.
The teams just add an element of fun and competition......which encourages folk to add rigs and recruit more friends etc.

This of course benefits the whole project.
Some like to quietly get the work done, others like the chatty social aspect that team participation brings..........whatever works.

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How sad. I guess I thought teams could have a lot more potential benefits than they apparently do. It looked like some teams have their own forums. That could be a very good thing in that a team could potentially help its members understand WCG better, almost be like a first level support group. Fewer problems for the WCG admins mean that much more time that they have to work on making it even better. Having the opportunity to get to know some of your team members can only help if only to expand one's understanding and knowledge of the rest of the world (we Americans can be a bit parochial). Being able to pick a team on a basis better than its name starts with a given letter or contains a given word could find a team that better matches my interests perhaps. Guess that must not matter much here. My work has me dealing with folks on virtually every continent. I've actually managed to meet some of the folks I know over the years but there's many I've never met face to face. Yet I've learned so much from their different perspectives on things, including work too! If I want to try to at least attempt to make an informed choice of a team to join, I have to really work at it to go dig up all the information that I might want to compare. Teams won't live up to their potential with obstacles like that. The message I get is that which team you join makes no difference and whether you even join a team makes no real difference. Given the amount of effort it appears that some teams put into their team, that has to be depressing to them at the least.
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

Interesting points.

There are several good forums out there to hear about other DC communities. I would check out http://thedczone.com/phpbb2/index.php . While I am not a member of thier forum they seem to keep up to date and fairly active in a lot of the DC"s. Check them out.

Personally I find drifting from team to team has its advantages. One of which is getting to know some pretty cool people on their home turf sites so to speak. Some poeple I have kept in contact with for a few years now so while the team crunching concept has nothing to recommend it points wise the people you meet amke it well worth the effort of exploring the team concept. (Did I do that in one sentence? ouch confused ) You too sound like someone that would benefit from roaming.
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

Being able to pick a team on a basis better than its name starts with a given letter or contains a given word could find a team that better matches my interests perhaps. Guess that must not matter much here.

Some teams have very specific memberships, others are completely open, with no particular membership criteria. Even those teams with a very specific name will welcome you warmly, whether you fit their group profile or not.

There are company teams, university teams, community or interest based teams (these often have an external forum or some other way of communicating and supporting each other), and "lifestyle" or political teams, country teams, and a few teams with no mission statement other than "let's crunch!"

Sadly, the vast majority of teams provide no support at all. The ones that do are easy enough to find, because they answer all the questions on the forums, as well as having active team threads in the Teams forum. Some teams will also be answering questions and providing support within the community their team is recruiting from.

So, the best advice I can give: if you have no strong tie to any specific team, then hang out on the forums here for a while, and wait for someone to make an impression.
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

Interesting points.

There are several good forums out there to hear about other DC communities. I would check out http://thedczone.com/phpbb2/index.php . While I am not a member of thier forum they seem to keep up to date and fairly active in a lot of the DC"s. Check them out.

Personally I find drifting from team to team has its advantages. One of which is getting to know some pretty cool people on their home turf sites so to speak. Some poeple I have kept in contact with for a few years now so while the team crunching concept has nothing to recommend it points wise the people you meet amke it well worth the effort of exploring the team concept. (Did I do that in one sentence? ouch confused ) You too sound like someone that would benefit from roaming.


The DC Zone would be a good way to start. A good number of Teams have posted there. There should be many more there.

Sorry for my very short and non-descript post. Too busy at work, and perhaps, because of that, I should have not posted at all.
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

(1) Drifting from team to team: A team like Base Camp at grid.org is a good place to start. They do "guest crunching" every week by joining different teams temporarily. I do not know whether there are any with the same philosophy here at wcg or not.

(2) There is no points penalty for joining one. The same crunching is applied to both individual and team points.

(3) Your previous 250,000 points are only individual points and cannot be reassigned. They are teamless. The only results that go to any team are the ones that you turn in after you might join one.

(4) I don't understand all of your depression. There's a mechanism link on the left of any team page for finding a suitable team title name out there if you do not want to wade through the team recruiting threads. Chaff or not, the most active team postings will be in the first few pages of the team area.

(5) The rules here only allow one team thread in the team area. That is the only place that we can communicate for new members. However, it is allowable to have a team page link in our signature at the bottom of any message. Many of us do that.
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Re: Why should I bother with joining a team confused confused confused

Another option for you to consider is creating a brand new team and molding it into the kind of team you want to be a part of.
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