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KWSN-A Shrubbery
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 8, 2006 Post Count: 476 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not particularly opposed to the suggestion, but I would question the efficacy.
----------------------------------------I've been watching my systems closely the last couple weeks and they are picking up work without having to micro-manage at all or hammer the system or any such thing. It's been repeated ad-nauseum how to configure a system and anyone who wants the tasks can get them with minor effort. If the power crunchers are getting the work, they are much more likely to return it promptly than is a random sampling of computers from the entire grid. One less thing for the techs to worry about. Having said that. If it's a relatively easy implementation and they think it will help, then by all means go for it. ![]() |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'm not a power cruncher and I have not had any problem keeping my queue full (yes I did some babysitting at the beginning). Also, the daily amount of returned results is up by 20% (over 6 years/21K-23K results returned daily for the last 4 days)... good sign
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JSYKES
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 200 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I agree with the sentiments stated above by gb009761 - WCG has made BIG noises about recruiting more crunchers (good!) and hanging out the hook of Ebola (equally good as it clearly needs some input - remember the Flu scare and the speed that that was run through the system??) - BUT - (and it's a big 'un) there hasn't been the delivery of the WU's in an even handed way at all. This is not (and I stress NOT) a pop at the techs - they have enough to do and a fine job at that, one that would be beyond my knowledge, but the design of the system for distribution actually appears to be put under additional strain by badge chasers. Yes, we all 'chase' badges to one extent or another - personally, I am too busy to worry about these but I'm very pleased when a new one happens to come along after a while - a milestone of progress towards the global goal, surely the badge is not a goal in itself?
----------------------------------------I'm unhappy to read that another cruncher has only received 5 OET WU's (I mistakenly thought that the 12 I'd received was pretty bad, but that's been well eclipsed!!). When Uplinger returns from his well deserved vacation, perhaps a short period of contemplation could be given to resolve the apparent gross disparity between the OET 'Haves' and the 'HaveNots' - to at least level the playing field a little and distribute whatever work is available on more even handed basis? I would also add that this is not a 'winge' - I am quite happy racking up vast numbers of MCM WU's in the interim.....while OET gets sorted out.... ![]() |
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[CSF] Thomas Dupont
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Aug 25, 2013 Post Count: 685 Status: Offline |
Sorry everyone for not getting to this sooner. But it is still on my list of things todo. I am currently on vacation and not near my machine with photoshop to make the modifications necessary. It is top of my list. Thanks, -Uplinger Enjoy your vacation, the badges will wait. Cheers +1 ![]() |
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branjo
Master Cruncher Slovakia Joined: Jun 29, 2012 Post Count: 1892 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
gb009761 wrote: Keith, I too hope you enjoy the rest of your holiday. Upon your return, please can you seriously consider making OET1 a fairer playing field - i.e., implement the 2 WU's/core suggestion that has been made quite some time ago (at least, until there's a far greater number of WU's to go around). As, I see that, if implemented, it'll bring several benefits; 1. People will know exactly what the playing field is, 2. They won't be hammering the WCG servers for WU's all the time (even going so far as to be inventive and trying to 'trick' the system), 3. Everyone will get a fair crack at badge hunting, 4. People will stop (or at least, lessen) their complaining on these forums, 5. The work will still get done - just in a more fairer way, 6. By implementing this system, people's caches will automatically fill up with OET1 WU's (if their machine is below the 2 WU's/core and there's OET1 WU's available), then be backfilled by their "reserve" project. 7. Consider implementing this practice for ALL new projects, until there's enough WU's to satisfy the demand - as that way, it'll allow a far greater number of machines to return WU's, and hence, highlight any issues that may have slipped the Beta testing net. 8. People won't be wasting their time "micro-managing" the projects - i.e., switching between projects to backfill their cache, then reverting back to only having OET1 selected in order to try and catch some of these elusive WU's, 9. Any other reasons that I haven't thought of... (please others, jump in here and add to this list). Edit 10. Building upon a comment by JSYKES (see below). By implementing a procedure such as this, it'll help keep new crunchers who've been attracted to this project, here, whilst introducing them to the other projects running on WCG - as they'll also be able to grab a small piece of the action (along with everyone else). I sincerely and truly disagree with your proposal. Socialism and Communism are dead. They have not worked in real life and they will not work in any community. Giving people the equal chance to do the work is the way how to do the work. Not giving them (us) equal amount of work w/o any restriction nor requirements. Crying and whining is the easiest way how to push our impotence into the higher dimension and to receive some kind of regret from the weaker part of the community. This weaker part of community will then try to find how to "help" us and to justify why we have to have the same amount of (money, jewelry, cars, houses...) tasks as people, who are the dedicated members of the community, who are cracking their **** out to deliver as much as possible not only to research teams, but also to the community. In the one of the other threads (you have posted your idea also there), I have spotted (at least one ) guy, who has dedicated approximately the same amount of time to the WCG in 4 months as I am in 4 days (And the people like A Shrubbery are doing more than that in a half a day.). (S)He is crunching really important sciences in WCG less than occasionally and (s)he is demanding something from this community? WTF! Several of us posted the manual how to get OET1 tasks which worked. Unselfishly. What do you want more from the community? Do we have to buy a flight ticket and travel to their places to set their computers? Or do we have to write to Santa Claus with a wish to do it instead of them (Even though SC is still not a member of WCG)? W/o a hard effort I have achieved golden badge with 8 CPU threads. But, yes. All of them are shrubbing WCG 24/7. Do I have to put them in charge of such whiners? Every day they can crunch for one of them. Will it be in line with your Glorious-Perception-Of-The-New-Order? If yes, we can continue in this separate discussion in the separate thread. How can you even try to propose such nonsense which will "equalize" lazy whiners, who will not do anything for the rest of us, with true members of this community, who are doing their best to support this whole community for years? *edited to appropriate forum language - ErikaT ![]() Crunching@Home since January 13 2000. Shrubbing@Home since January 5 2006 ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by ErikaT at Jan 3, 2015 8:18:32 PM] |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3715 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Branjo,
----------------------------------------You should be more careful when choosing your words. If I read you correctly there are true members who are doing everything they can for crunching more, and lazy members (very few of them being also whiners) who have installed BOINC the way it was meant by WCG and let their equipment contribute as it can. Despite what you seem to think WCG definitely needs everybody, and work done by "lazy" crunchers is certainly more than what "true" members can do (don't forget that some of the biggest "individual" contributors are in fact the aggregation of thousands of "lazy" ones). Fortunately, another characteristic of those "lazy" crunchers is that they seldom read this forum, so most of them will never know how you see them. |
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ngsmith
Cruncher Joined: Jul 21, 2005 Post Count: 48 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Some of us lazy whiners do read the forum, and realize that their 9-1/2 years of crunching don't count to some of the people here. I guess it's time for me to earn the last of the badges that I can reasonably earn, and then leave WCG.
----------------------------------------Back when I was an IBM employee, WCG was started and advertised as being for anyone who could contribute unused cycles on their computers. But that philosophy seems to have gone out the window, what with people building their own server farms with 32 core systems, just so they could brag about how quickly they could earn a pretty colored badge. I guess sports cars aren't the only method of compensating. And please don't tell me that I have to go through multiple steps to contribute to a project. If the scientists don't have their act together enough to provide work in a manner equitable for all volunteers, then the scientists and WCG technicians need to reexamine the appropriateness of that project. ![]() |
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Eric_Kaiser
Veteran Cruncher Germany (Hessen) Joined: May 7, 2013 Post Count: 1047 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Some of us lazy whiners do read the forum, and realize that their 9-1/2 years of crunching don't count to some of the people here. I guess it's time for me to earn the last of the badges that I can reasonably earn, and then leave WCG. Please stay. Any support is much appreciated and necessary to make our world a little better. Back when I was an IBM employee, WCG was started and advertised as being for anyone who could contribute unused cycles on their computers. But that philosophy seems to have gone out the window, what with people building their own server farms with 32 core systems, just so they could brag about how quickly they could earn a pretty colored badge. I guess sports cars aren't the only method of compensating. I'm with you that this was intended to spend unused cycles. Your comparising with sports cars is an hmm interesting point of view. I can speek only for my personal intentions: After a couple of years absent from boinc I built powerfull computer for a completely different purpose. To find out how stable it runs boinc came back to my mind. I think it was the boinc penthatlon that brought me to wcg. In the meanwhile it's the only project I'm supporting. I'm in the lucky situation that my monthly income allows me to have some money to donate for charity. One way to do so is to take some money and buy some hardware to donate cpu cycles to wcg. O.k. it is also a fun part. Chasing for badges reminds me on role playing games chasing for some level ups.... But the main reason is to support wcg. However, last year I spent some € to assemble the two amd devices with ssd. Additional € went into the two odroids android devices. The hdd for data storage in my main computer was replaced by a model that allows 24/7 (another € for a 4 TB model). And some minor stuff like switch, network cables, cooler, a.s.o. came on top. Not to forget that the energy costs are 70€ per month to keep that running 24/7. And please don't tell me that I have to go through multiple steps to contribute to a project. If the scientists don't have their act together enough to provide work in a manner equitable for all volunteers, then the scientists and WCG technicians need to reexamine the appropriateness of that project. Right. And there already exists a limit of wu per core independant from the application: 25. In case of OET it was not sufficient caused by the lack of available wu. ![]() |
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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Eric said
----------------------------------------In case of OET it was not sufficient caused by the lack of available wu. I think you have all missed the main point! I'm one of the so called power crunchers, I chose to move away from OET due to the lack of work. The main reason some users have been able to reach 10 years and others have only managed a couple or three wu's is a combination of things, from availability of wu's to when their machines are online. This project was 'Oversubscribed' it was announced that wu's would be released in batches and there would be a shortage from time to time. IMHO, it's wrong to pigeon hole users by the size of their contribution, as it is to suggest those with large 'farms' are using it as an extention in the same way as those with sports cars do. As I've said several times, those wingmen with few cores validate the work of others, with and without farms. Their contribution is just as important to the overall effort as the likes of me with my farm. Please stop demeaning fellow contributors, and the effort we are all making just because one project is not living up to expectations. Although what those expectations are is beyond me! As mentioned this project was going to be off to a slow start and being very topical was oversubscribed too!
Mamajuanauk is the Name! Crunching is the Game!
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Eric_Kaiser
Veteran Cruncher Germany (Hessen) Joined: May 7, 2013 Post Count: 1047 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You quoted me a little bit out of the context it was ment to be (perhaps I missunderstood you. I'm not a native english speaker).
----------------------------------------In this thread one requested 2 wu per core so that more participants will receive wus from oet. I pointed out that there is already such a limitation and I oberserve it on my devices for oet too. But the total amount of available work per day wasn't big enough to satisfy every interested participant. I also know that oet is in the ramp up phase so I didn't complain about it. I'm in the software developing industry for 30 years now and know that is a usual practice. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Eric_Kaiser at Jan 4, 2015 12:00:18 PM] |
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