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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hi,
I'm trying to understand something. Since there are many many many grid projects (einstain@home,seti,rosetta,wcg,etc..) and all of those combined are a few million clients working everyday, why split crunching time amongst projects? If there were 2 million clients working on FAAH it would be done in a week. This kind of 'independance' is not working for the benefit of what grid computing is meant (generally to solve problems, and I don't consider finding the largest prime number a problem that demands urgency). Since finding some solution to AIDS with the FAAH will help thousands if not millions of people why wasting cpu time in finding messages from aliens that may or may not exist. Let's say tomorrow they find some weird transmission that would be considering of ET form. then what? they don't speak english, and they might not even use known frequencies.. this accomplishes nothing. Instead, finding some cure for disease actually contributes to advances in other things, and not a dead end. basically what I'm saying is, that as much as numerous projects are welcomed, there aren't enough users to harness their cpu time, and splitting the cpu time into many project just postpones the result. I see wcgrid as the most professional grid project due to its maintence and operations and that's why i'm crunching as hard as I can on it. I just don't understand the reason for crunching seti@home (i'd like to talk to aliens too, but lets focus on earth's problems first) instead of using that time to crunch a FAAH. thanks for reading. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I thought about this when I first joined also. If a person just donated CPU time and the system dynamically allocated the bulk of processing power to the most urgent task then it would make more sense.
The user would still have a preference. However, a certain percentage of their CPU time would still go to the most urgent taskings that BOINC uses. The workunits might have similiar numbering schemes making them look identical so the user would never know what his computer was working on. He would only know he is getting credits for doing something good. Maybe, it would give him a detailed report of what his computer has worked on. Either way, Fight aids@home could probably be knocked out in 2 seconds by temporarily reallocating a small amount of power from things like seti@home or other sources where CPU power is abundant and maybe even somewhat useless for the current time being. I don't think the BOINC projects are centrally networked or cooperate into one entity tho. I think this is a good point even so. Human nature is not that of cooperation alot of times tho. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Grid projects are usually entirely independant. All those other mathematical, physical and astronomical projects (running on BOINC or not) are part of some form of research project. Most of the people running them do so by choice.
All World Community Grid projects are humanitarian, and so far they are all life sciences projects, with a medical basis. Personally, I would love it if more people concentrated on the humanitarian projects like those at WCG. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The problem with reality is that not everybody understands the reality of today and almost nobody knows what tomorrow will be. Well, OK, I do but I'm not telling, insider trading issues and all that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reuters, Nov 27, 2009 Scientists from the FAAH project announced today that none of the drugs from the various Distributed Computing projects will be useful in the fight against AIDS. All have been ruled out for 1 reason or another. The project's leading scientist said, "Thanks crunchers. We had great hopes but it just didn't pan out. To show our appreciation for all the hard work we're doubling everybody's points across the board." Meanwhile, Babelfish has finished translating messages following SETI's initial discovery back in August 2007. It's now obvious the messages have 3 important pieces of information that will benefit all of mankind: 1. a fix for the BOINC benchmarks so Linux users can get fair credits 2. a cure for AIDS 3. the long sought key to cold fusion which will give us virtually unlimited pollution free energy at almost zero cost. The aliens provided the information after Cadbury told them how to put the caramilk inside the chocolate. The alien response was, "Doh!", followed by the aforementioned 3 informations. Messages were transmitted on the sub-space channel first envisioned by Gene Roddenberry in the Star Trek series and made a reality by North Korea as a byproduct of their nuclear research program. ------------------------------------------------ Don't tell me it could never be. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 27, 2006 3:01:18 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
This may be bigger than you think... For several years Seti has had at times, 2 to 3 million machines searching for evidence of aliens..... without any luck so far. Throwing more machines at one problem is all well and good..... up to a point. It wouldn't be long until the servers would be screaming for mercy. Even throwing more servers into the fray would work for awhile until that too become cost prohibitive. I think doing it the way we are is the smart thing to do. Hit all the targets at the same time. The chances good one or another project will hit on something that will more than likely offer the key to all diseases. Just my opinion of course...
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hi
I don't understand the motives of many people regarding many subjects. Isn't that fantastic? Vive la difference! My perspective on why WCG is better than seti would be shared by most in this community so any argument would be redundant here. There are of course similar projects to WCG so why this one? That's personal choice and although I don't understand the choices made by others I understand that they are valid choces for the individual concerned and that's good enough for me. On a personal note, I switched to WCG from Folding@home because I found a link somewhere stating that the scientists working on the human proteome project thought proteins might fold very slowly rather than the previously unchallenged theory that they folded very rapidly. It's easy to see that somebody is likely to be wrong in one of those views and F@H has more CPU power to investigate its theory than HPF. Simple choice, help investigate the other theory so that a definitive conclusion can be reached more quickly and resources can be funnelled into the best theoretical likelihood. One must investigate all theorum in order to eliminate possibilities. No possibility should be ignored until proven non-viable .Cheers. ozylynx ![]() |
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Zigfried
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I agree. We can find tons of different projects like this. A few days ago i was checking some websites and i found a project like FA@H or HDC but it was only to solve PUZZLE. So you can see how people like to waist theirs effortes.
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steffen_moeller
Cruncher Joined: Dec 3, 2005 Post Count: 44 Status: Offline |
People just do not invest any resources into something they are not interested in. The total compute power is probably much larger with everybody being independent from each other ... only stricktly following one's ego.
Btw - interest is not predictive: I tried to stimulate local and regional AIDS support groups (hospices, societies, ...) towards promoting FAAH on their web sites. I did not even get a reply. Sometimes it apparently is not even sufficient to do something of somebody's interest to get any positive action out although no serious resources are required. SM |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
I think the answer to this is that everyone is different and has different interests.
----------------------------------------To me, the medical apps take priority. Watch someone die of cancer or AIDS and it will make a beleiver out of you in a hurry. Have that person be a family member that you love and you will become motivated to do all you can to help find a cure. I lost my grandmother in 1965 when I was 13 to cancer. This was before they had the treatments that they have today. She was a wonderfull old lady that I loved dearly. My last memory of her was watching my father hold her head while she was sick as she couldn't hold down any food. That's over 40 years ago and it's as clear as if it was yesterday. I try and remember people who are gone from us in a happy time with a smile on their face but I can't in this case. She was too good a person to die that young. She was 67. Her name was Cecilia Corbett. Everyone has different motivations, those are mine. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
If you think about it, nobody would be crunching FAAH today if it were not for the contributions of physicists, chemists and mathematicians. Those people gave us the transistor, large scale integrated circuits, high density hard drives, optical drives, 100MBPS ethernet, fiber optics, broadband internet and many other tools that FAAH needs. If you think DC projects like LHC, Einstein, Reisel Sieve and Prime are not worthy of CPU time then maybe you should think again. They may not be medical research but they may very well discover stuff that benefits medical research in a major way. Solving puzzles, for example, may seem like a silly pastime to some of us but there are some very complex and interesting mathematics behind puzzles and games, probably some very cool computing science too. It may seem silly on the surface but I suspect there may be worthwhile research going on behind the scenes. It is entirely possible that with their puzzles they may discover a new principle or refine an existing principle that eventually contributes to a breakthrough in AIDS research. It is entirely possible that CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will discover something about the fundamental structure of matter and energy that will allow transistors 100 times smaller, faster or cheaper so we'll have even more powerful computers with which to crunch FAAH.
----------------------------------------Finally, rather than lamenting the fact that a few hundred thousand crunchers are hunting aliens or solving puzzles, I think we could get a lot more done if we stopped spending money on wars and used that money to buy a thousand Blue Genies for the scientists. Think of all the money that Bush spent in Iraq and figure how many Blue Genies that would have bought. Or how many programmers could have been hired to fix the deficiencies in BOINC, Rosetta, HPF2, etc. Think also of all the dollars spent on oil that is/was way overpriced just because of wars. You see, it's not really the alien hunters that are slowing down FAAH it's people like president Bush. -- This post has been edited to comply with forum rules - nelsoc [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 28, 2006 10:54:20 PM] |
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