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"Are you sure you know what you're talking about. You're implying that the siRNA's are derived from piRNA's when the 2 are well know to be completely separate classes"

I should have worded the previous statement as piRNA's are analagous in their overall function to that of RNAi in that they both elicit silencing. I did not however, imply that siRNA are derived from piRNA's. All this being said, I"m done explaining myself on this. If you want to chat about it on another thread or in a PM that's fine.


Getting back to the RNA immunization article, it was interesting and of potential value. They did some important experiments, including testing the ability of the RNA to elicit a response in young and adult mice.

That being said, the authors waited only 5 weeks after the last administration of RNA before challenging the mice with influenza. I would wonder whether their results were due in part to activating either long lived and/or effector memory cells instead of central memory cells.

Other things to think about. While RNA can be made encoding a ton of different viral proteins, is it such a good thing to have memory T and B cells directed against all of those proteins? There has been at least one set of publications where sequential challenges of mice changed the composition of the memory T cell pool with each infection. There were less of the primary virus specific memory T cells.

In addition, there is also a question to whether using a shotgun RNA immunization strategy might also lead to an increase in autoimmune diseases due to activation of previously anergic and autoreactive T cells, either indirectly or by molecular mimicry and direct TCR stimulation.
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Alzheimer's may be a prion disease

Prions are what are know as "infectious proteins." Since we have a few projects here that do protein folding and many crunchers also fold, you probably know what that means. For a protein to be able to perform its function, whether that is binding to a receptor or acting as an enzyme, the precise 3 dimensional shape it takes on is critical.

Prions are believed to be malformed proteins that were either incorrectly folded or became unstable and assumed the new malformed state. That shouldn't be a problem since our cells have fairly efficient garbage collection systems to deal with such problems. However prions also have the ability to corrupt other proteins of the same type and convert them from the correct functional form to the prion form.

So in a very broad sense, they are self-replicating. Stanley Prusiner is the person who discovered these about 30 years ago and I think it took him a couple of decades before he finally convinced a good chunk of the scientific community that the phenomenon was real.

As an aside, I love to use this as an example of truths explained in one of the greatest books of the last century - The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. It describes exactly this kind of struggle between an existing scientific orthodoxy and new ideas which challenge the orthodoxy but which have greater explanatory and predictive power. Despite the imposing title, it's not a very long book and very accessible to any curious layperson.

Anyway, the evil actor in Alzheimer's has long been suspected to be a protein called A-beta (amyloid-beta). Although the exact mechanism has always been a matter of speculation, the idea that it might be a prion was never in the mix, until now.
A-beta injected into half of a mouse's brain slowly incites other A-beta molecules to accumulate, Prusiner and colleagues reported earlier this year (SN: 7/14/12, p. 5). And Swedish scientists caught A-beta jumping directly from nerve cell to nerve cell in rat and human cells in a dish, suggesting that the protein can follow neural connections in the brain.

Still more evidence comes from a study on a particularly dangerous form of A-beta. In "€œvanishingly small"€ quantities, this form, called pyroglutamylated A-beta, can cause normal versions of A-beta to turn deadly, says study coauthor George Bloom of the University of Virginia. These proteins needed just 24 hours to kill half of mouse nerve cells tested in a dish (SN: 6/2/12, p. 18).

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Interesting article - a mobile phone 'game' to be developed by the summer which will help with cancer research. http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/n...-up-cancer-cures?rss=true
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"Hot off the press" so to speak, a machine that keeps transplant livers warm instead of cool, warm so it does not die, rather can continue it's chemical processes, which are told to be over 600. Can't live without one, opposed to a spleen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21806570

But, if Paul Gascoigne would be looking for one... Having my doubts about who to candidate for transplants, which surely will evolve into, yes, a hot discussion. A separate thread for that of course.
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At least for liver transplants, half of a liver is usually enough, so both the donor and the recipient often continue to live.
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Dogs Cured of Type 1 Diabetes
Gene therapy has successfully banished type 1 diabetes in dogs, the first time this treatment has worked to treat the disease in a large animal, according to a study published online in the journal Diabetes earlier this month (February 1).

For the study, Spanish researchers induced diabetes in beagles between 6 months and 1 year old. They then injected the dogs’ skeletal muscles with viruses carrying genes for insulin and glucokinase, an enzyme involved in processing glucose. Following the treatment, the researcher confirmed that the genes had been incorporated into the DNA of the dogs, which were able to regulate their own blood sugar levels without medical help. And when they exercised, they no longer had episodes of hypoglycemia.

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Something to watch for in gene therapy: Unless the virus of other means of inserting the new genes is carefully targeted in where it inserts the new genes, some cells are likely to have them inserted in the middle of some other gene that cell needs to prevent that cell from starting a cancer. There is already at least one known person who got cancer that way.
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I did a little research on gene therapy which lead me naturally to viral vectors and I found the case you had in mind - at least I think so.
There is concern that insertional mutagenesis due to integration into the host genome might lead to cancer or leukemia. This concern remained theoretical until gene therapy for ten SCID-X1 patients using Maloney murine leukemia virus[6] resulted in two cases of leukemia caused by activation of the LMO2 oncogene due to nearby integration of the vector.[7]

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How your immune system can make you smarter
Quick summary: when we learn, neural connections are broken and rebuilt creating all sorts of molecular detritus that to the immune system looks like an infection. The theory is that T-cells in the meninges, the lining surrounding the brain and spinal cord, express IL-4 (interleukin 4) to keep the immune system in check when the processes involved are just normal memory but not when actual infection or other types of inflammation are involved.

This might be the reason why you feel so fuzzy headed and dull when you're sick.
When we learn something new, our neurons tear down old connections and build new ones. In the process they cast off lots of molecules. To the immune system, this waste may look like an infection or some other kind of trouble, resulting in inflammation and the release of harsh compounds that normally fight viruses but can also interfere with the brain and its function. Kipnis suggests that T cells keep this process in check, differentiating between disease and ordinary stress and, when warranted, telling other immune cells to stand down by releasing antagonist molecules that prevent misguided inflammation.

The same T cells that protect the brain from inflammation also work to keep us sharp; and in what appears to be a feedback loop, the mere act of learning reinforces the effect. As mice learn something new, T cells in the meninges produce high levels of a molecule called interleukin 4 (IL-4). IL-4 is an immune system signal that curbs the inflammatory response and, according to research by Kipnis and others, also improves learning. Indeed, when mice lacking the gene for making IL-4 take the water maze test, they do badly, perhaps because their T cells lack a critical signal involved in fast learning.

This theory could explain why we lose our mental edge when we get sick, Kipnis says. When we’re healthy, T cells keep the immune cells in the meninges from inflaming the brain. But when we get sick, the T cells loosen their hold to let the immune system attack invading pathogens. The resulting inflammation helps clear out the invaders, but it also blunts learning. When we’re sick, Kipnis proposes, it’s more important to launch a powerful immune attack than to have a sharp mind. “Everything in life is priorities,” he says.

Kipnis has recently started to investigate what happens to people’s brains when they start losing T cells. People with cancer, for example, often suffer a loss of T cells when they undergo chemotherapy. It may be no coincidence, he argues, that chemotherapy is notorious for causing “chemo brain”—a fuzzy mental state in which patients have trouble thinking clearly. Kipnis proposes that without T cells to keep inflammation in check, immune cells in the meninges pump harmful compounds into the brain.

Old age also strips us of our T cells. The thymus, a strawberry-size gland in the chest, produces a steady stream of T cell precursors in our youth. But over the decades it shrinks until it’s barely visible. Kipnis proposes that with fewer T cells, older people cannot effectively suppress the inflammation around their brains—which could play a part in the cognitive decline that people experience as they age.
More at the link. For example it may be possible to rejuvenate the brain by rejuvenating the immune system.
An experiment Kipnis and his colleagues carried out recently on mice missing T cells foreshadows how future brain-immune medicine might work. The scientists drew blood from old mice, whose supply of T cells was depleted, and isolated immune cells. They added IL-4 to the flasks where they reared those immune cells. Then the scientists injected the IL-4-exposed cells back into the mice. Afterward, the mice were able to learn well—presumably because their brains were no longer suffering from inflammation.

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