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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

The Great Pyramid of Giza is on the same latitude as Austin Texas

On the one hand it's fine to have Camels and desert on the other it's MMGW what did it

It's called perspective Sek
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Careful what you wish for, David Autumns... those sunspots dont'\s have anything good in store for what's living on Earths surface. 45-50 million km square of snow, now the abundance of that having shifted forwards, and whilst more, it's still melting under that moderate active sun, just outputting 0.076% less than in 2003... yes all sign in nature indicate decline...



Food for thought, but not to you.

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P.S. The news descended here reports of Northern Alaska, on the Arctic coast with 23C, and Resolute Point, 18.7C, right off Ellsemere, Canada... something gonna give. "Where have all the people gone?" someone asks... not waiting on you they wont!
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Increasingly it's looking like just us [the UK, with the EU's assistance] and the Aussies are selflessly destroying our economies in the name of CO2 peace

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaki...-20110808,0,7784695.story
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Denialists playing a game of chess with the planet, clearly not understanding the rules that apply:


July Report by NOAA, early departure of snow pre-ludes declines of Arctice Sea Ice, and more...

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2011/080311.html






Does the world need more sunspot to help the Brits to survive another terrible winter?



Whatever happened to "Stiff upper lip", food for thought, but not for all!

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Right on cue back into Winter



Now we know that the hysteresis of the Globe to a change in Solar input is 50 days [as measured on land which is predominately in the Northern Hemisphere]

50 days past the Summer Solstice we go into Winter - 50 days past the Winter Solstice we emerge from Winter

This is the response to the changing energy balance of the Planet - the lag introduced by the time to absorb or the time to continue to emit the input of of heat from the Sun by the Land and the surrounding Sea - due to the changing day length created by our axial tilt (obliquity of the ecliptic) currently measured as 23.44 degrees



This however, like the output of the Sun, changes over time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

For a closer look at the above graph take a look here http://91.192.194.209/averagehourlytemp3.png

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More sunspots you want [though we know on the total TSI it means diddely squat difference and even after the Medieval Warming Optimum and the 70 years long Little Ice Age there was only 0.7 C differential? Want to only think of the UK? Well, the riots of the youths may be a signal that the future as prepared by their elders is not exactly as rosy as you'd like to think.

Meantime, more uncomfortable forest fires in Russia... already 1 million hectares lost: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/09/russia-forest-fires-burn-again

Now for the really bad news to spoil your evening: We told you several times about the negative effect on the nutritional value of wheat through the rise of CO2 in the atmosphere... plants used to live on 280 ppmv for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, tops 300 ppmv during interglacials... our cultivated plants were trained on that. Seems that rice is also not liking higher CO2... more disease and fungi susceptibility and we're reading of land unit drops of yields already being detected.

And in the news today that population is now thought not to stabilize on 9 billion by 2050, but the rapid growths continuing and at least 1 billion more to feed and house, and provide cars and smartphone and clean water and and and.

Maybe in some worlds the answer just sits in a top-hat



Food for thought, but not for all!

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P.S. Heat waves in China too, hundreds of thousands evacuated because of a typhoon [reads like landfall to me, or is that the semantics where islands don't count?], severe flooding in the Korean peninsula... really, David Autumns, do we need more UV rich sunspots to shine down on your garden? Sunspots are actually 6,000C cooler than the surrounding areas on the sun.

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P.P.S. The wheat crops in the US are failing too with this record record heatwave and drought. Interestingly, corn is grown for biofuel and wheat is fed to cow, for that bigger stake, under enhancement of some growth hormones. Bon appetit.
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Make that 999,608 parts out of a million not CO2 after the July update

Note the biggest annual increases are in El Niño years as the warmer pacific ocean surface cannot contain the same quantity of dissolved gases according to Henry's Law

-At a constant temperature, the amount of a given gas that dissolves in a given type and volume of liquid is directly proportional to the partial pressure of that gas in equilibrium with that liquid.-

The change in temperature bit makes the difference here see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry's_law

2010 was an El Niño year as was 1998

See the effect here

1988 2.12
1989 1.31
1990 1.28
1991 0.98
1992 0.46
1993 1.36
1994 1.93
1995 1.93
1996 1.23
1997 1.92
1998 2.98
1999 0.90
2000 1.76
2001 1.57
2002 2.60
2003 2.30
2004 1.55
2005 2.50
2006 1.73
2007 2.24
2008 1.64
2009 1.89
2010 2.42

This is the yearly increase in CO2 in ppm as measured on the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii and suitably massaged the last 20 years are the warmest "ever"

If you feel like a good quake in your boots over 0.0392% atmospheric CO2 have a look here http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
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Just was reminded of something when I was young ... a top hat story: Howard Christmas Older [The Collectors, 1968]... Yes David Autumns, I'm a few years ''older'' than you and have been around and worked for 30 years at a [geo]science & research company... picture that! Maybe I know a few things more on the earth topic, the excitation of photons and CO2 and to me mundane things as magnetic resonance imaging, neutron lifetime decay... some more I could not share with you... stuff that has been in vaults since a certain weekend in 1986 when pointing more advanced spectrometers at the sky than any government agency had access to. We did that in our own time, at our own expense, just to verify if the stories checked ... unwanted science at the frontier locked away forever... of statistical insignificance we know now 25 years on.

Heed Thé, don't tread on areas you can only guess or you might be crossing onto that what Kruger and his mentor Dunning made a study off... C02 does it predominantly at 15um and the higher up it is, the nastier the effect.

Food for thought, but is it that to you?

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P.S. it took *only* 12 years to get from 6 billion to 7 billion humans. My parents remember times when it was just not a third when they were young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population and a World War ruled for half a decade because... They think the world's gone mad, crack-head potty, burning the one place from which there's no escape.

P.P.S. Do you know when <a href="http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229639-The-...ying">noctilucent clouds</a> started appearing? You can see them when not shut eye at more northern quarters, but the phenomena is gradually showing more and more southern... why would that be? On the suggestion, comet dust will always have been there... much more probable, the upper atmosphere cools, because of that thickening blanket below, due you know why... told many times.
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P.S. it took *only* 12 years to get from 6 billion to 7 billion humans. My parents remember times when it was just not a third when they were young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population and a World War ruled for half a decade because... They think the world's gone mad, crack-head potty, burning the one place from which there's no escape.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Now that in my opinion is a REAL problem--and--- The Failure of Al Gore: Part One
Walter Russell Mead

It must be as perplexing to his many admirers as it is frustrating to himself that a man of Vice President Gore’s many talents, great skills and strong beliefs is one of the most consistent losers in American politics.

“All political careers end in failure,” said Enoch Powell; Gore has not won an election on his own since his 1990 re-election to the Senate from Tennessee. His 1988 presidential bid ended well short of the nomination. Many observers felt Gore was headed for defeat in a third Senate campaign as the south continued to swing Republican; Clinton’s offer of the vice presidential slot in 1992 gave Gore the opportunity to reach a national audience as his home state cooled. On his own again in 2000, gifted by the departing Clinton with the most bubbliciously expanding economy in American history and a comfortable budget surplus, and insulated from the innuendo and scandal of the Clinton White House by his still-vibrant marriage, he found the elusive road to defeat against a flawed and inexperienced challenger. Tennessee voted for Bush; Florida or no Florida Gore would have gone to the White House if those who knew him longest and best had rallied to his support.---- http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/20...lure-of-al-gore-part-one/
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While the country was focused on the debt extension deal being hashed out between Congress and the White House, President Obama reached an agreement with the auto industry to raise what are called Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. These are laws that mandate the average mileage that a fleet of cars sold by a particular manufacturer must achieve. Under these new rules, the fleet standard would increase to 54.5 mpg by 2025. Just for comparison, the 2011 2-passenger Smart Cart is advertising 41 mpg on the highway. The problem is that if automobiles are going to meet this standard, the auto companies will have to seriously downsize their fleet. The reason why the Smart Car even gets the mileage it does is because it’s so small and light, as was noted in this Washington Examiner Editorial: ------------ http://lockerroom.johnlocke.org/2011/08/04/ob...ion-trades-blood-for-oil/
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