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JmBoullier
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Right now, the only thing that will attract more people to WCG is to increase the BOINC credit per WCG credit. For the umpteenth time it is not working the way you think. WCG is not granting WCG points then dividing them by 7 to convert to BOINC credits, it is granting BOINC credits using the standard (i.e. not inflated) BOINC rules. Thenafter it converts them to fit the legacy WCG points system by multiplying them by 7. |
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Coleslaw
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With only 16 stream processors your 3 year old 8500GT is not up to much, an entry level GPU. I dont think it could be used anywhere for crunching, possibly Folding@home, but possibly not fast enough there or anywhere else. Well..not sure of the speed differences, but my 8400GS runs SETI, SETI Beta, Collatz, and Einstein CUDA units just fine. (512MB version) I haven't tried my 128MB version on anything other then Collatz since it was in my mothers computer. They may not be monsters that put them out insanely fast, but they still put them out much faster then my CPU's do. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
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Whatever the computation is, WCG still is one of projects with the lowest payout in terms of boinc credits. It would have been better if we are somewhere in the middle, not at the bottom. I'm not complaining that I receive low credit from here compared to other projects. My cpus have only been crunching WCG for the past 4 years. I'm only stating the fact there are lot of people who have farms with fast systems that left to find greener pastures. Whatever their reasons for crunching, their systems can be a great help to the projects here in WCG. Its not about whos' holier than who. Most of the projects here are about finding cures or disease prevention. The more crunchers then the faster we can find that cure if there is one. When I look at the profiles of some of the top crunchers of other projects, I saw that most of them crunched WCG sometime in the past.
My grandmother died because of cancer and all we were able to do before she died was provide pain killers because the treatments didnt work. I dont want that to happen to a family member anymore. Thats why I want to encourage more people to crunch here whatever their reasons for crunching and not drive them away. |
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Former Member
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points vs purpose .... don't you think that if these "GPU" systems could do it better they would???? why if a gpu has all the processing power claimed here have they not come out with a futer based on a gpu chip???? they have their uses, but they are in no way the end all, be all
----------------------------------------/me putting on fireproof underware. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 18, 2010 5:06:25 AM] |
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Former Member
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Even though other people crunch for points, they can still help those of us who crunch for a noble cause regardless of points. Its like if somebody needs help, and you know he's a bad guy. You wont help him because you are better guy than him? Or you are about to fall off a precipice or something, you wont grab the hand that was offered because it belongs to an ex-convict? Even though their purpose is less noble, their resources can still help for the greater good.
----------------------------------------If we are talking about gpus made more than a half a decade ago or the still crappy current gpus from Intel, then it would be useless. I'm talking about making the project more attractive to people who only crunch for points thus increasing the computing power available for the projects here. Do you think those people who crunch with their top of the line gpus use crappy cpus? We all know that those who compete for the top in boinc stats have crunching farms. Instead they waste their new I7's in "less" meaningful projects that grant higher points. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 18, 2010 6:27:01 AM] |
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JmBoullier
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We all know that those who compete for the top in boinc stats have crunching farms. Instead they waste their new I7's in "less" meaningful projects that grant higher points. The point is not to say that these people are less good or whatever else in this spirit, it is only that their interest is somewhere else. How often and how far do you think that WCG would have to push the credits cursor to keep them interested in WCG? Something else that we don't mention very often is that WCG projects need much more manpower than just solving pure mathematical problems or screening endless radio signals (or lack of). Proposing, selecting and implementing a WCG project means months of work for many people in the labs and in WCG. Then, generating WUs fast enough may be another challenge for the scientists. And once we have done the crunching part it means even more manpower to make the most of the results on the scientists side. I have been in distributing computing only for three and a half years, and a CA for even less, but during that time it has become clear to me that finding crunchers is not the biggest challenge for WCG, or at least it is not the only one. Finding scientific teams with enough resources to propose eligible projects and to run them till the scientific publication stage is as difficult, and maybe more. |
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TimAndHedy
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Finding scientific teams with enough resources to propose eligible projects and to run them till the scientific publication stage is as difficult, and maybe more. That is a sad statement about the state of research currently. This is a resource that I would think would be in high demand. |
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sk..
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The point is not to say that these people are less good or whatever else in this spirit, it is only that their interest is somewhere else. The point made was, some people are only interested in the points and have no interest in the project.How often and how far do you think that WCG would have to push the credits cursor to keep them interested in WCG? Points should be rigidly set by Boinc, and anyone that starts to grant more credit should not be allowed to use Boinc. The present situation negates the credibility of Boinc and those that use it. |
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sk..
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points vs purpose .... don't you think that if these "GPU" systems could do it better they would???? why if a gpu has all the processing power claimed here have they not come out with a futer based on a gpu chip???? they have their uses, but they are in no way the end all, be all Fredski, GPUs can do more work that CPUs. This is a fact, not a claim. The problem is that they can only do certain types of processing. This is primarily due to restructions on the x86 instruction set; basically Intel dont want to allow NVidia and ATI to use these on GPUs. Running a GPU project may also be more difficult, especially if you already run a CPU project! I am happy that there are a few worthwhile GPU projects out there and that WCG concentrate on CPU work, until the right GPU project comes along./me putting on fireproof underware. - dont forget your hat! |
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Sekerob
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Et al,
----------------------------------------The only thing that can be done by the volunteers [if they have the option] is doing a mass migration to the 64 bit client and free Linux 64 bit OS [W7-64bit comes always with this OS]. If these meet in quorum, the credit is quite dandy. If an older 32 bit version client with 55% benchmark (of Windows) meets in Linux with a 64 bit Lucid Linux wingman, it's nothing but heavy sobbing. Action: Don't expect any until Berkeley is ready to push out the newly developed server code (and the different grids adopting that). Think it's in beta at Seti, but honestly no idea if that is going to get released this year or the next, after. Till then, we crunch on.
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