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Re: smilesmile Join "MyOnlineTeam" Today - Chapter 41 smilesmile

I suppose that there is something that I don't understand - (Not the first time smile ):

FreeHAL seems to be a BOINC-only app. Boinc seems to allow only one process per processor (8 on an I7). Now if you fill those 8 slots with WCG apps, how can you start a HAL process?

Because it runs as virtual machines in memory only and does not use your processors.


OK. *How do you start it* when BOINC is already set to 100% and won't let you set it to anything over that?

You start it like any other project:
1 Go to Tools and select Attach to project.
2 Type in http://freehal.net/freehal_at_home/
3 Select New User and enter email/password
4 When it attaches click finish and you will get one wu (default).
5 Go to My Account at FreeHAL and select FreeHAL preferences and select 25 as max wu's.

EDIT: corrected email/password
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Thanks for creating that team, Keith! biggrin
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Re: smilesmile Join "MyOnlineTeam" Today - Chapter 41 smilesmile

I suppose that there is something that I don't understand - (Not the first time smile ):

FreeHAL seems to be a BOINC-only app. Boinc seems to allow only one process per processor (8 on an I7). Now if you fill those 8 slots with WCG apps, how can you start a HAL process?

Because it runs as virtual machines in memory only and does not use your processors.


OK. *How do you start it* when BOINC is already set to 100% and won't let you set it to anything over that?

You start it like any other project:
1 Go to Tools and select Attach to project.
2 Type in http://freehal.net/freehal_at_home/
3 Select New User and enter email/password
4 When it attaches click finish and you will get one wu (default).
5 Go to My Account at FreeHAL and select FreeHAL preferences and select 25 as max wu's.

EDIT: corrected email/password


It is very surprising to me that you can run 8 WCG work units and any other work units. I went up and tried it. Very interesting... Thanks for the education DM, Chris, Jonathan. I will watch the memory now. As a side light I can't put the value of FreeHAL contribution in the same ballpark as WCG projects (In my case Cancer projects) but it sure is an interesting configuration.
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 02/14 - All Members:

Team rank movement report
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Prior New Current
Member name Rank Change Rank Points
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charlie99 59 -1 60 1,211,855
darth_vader 60 +1 59 1,212,322
Jonathon Wright 83 -1 84 638,880
Rene Punt 84 +1 83 642,016
afurness 127 -1 128 265,293
madambaster 128 +1 127 265,970
nsmartin 215 -1 216 46,999
John Kinsworthy 216 -1 217 46,746
Mechanical 217 +2 215 47,215

Points milestones report
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marysduby reached 43,000,000 points applause
Coingames reached 22,000,000 points applause
parmesian reached 20,000,000 points applause

Runtime milestones report
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Coingames reached 28 years of runtime applause

Results returned milestones report
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No results returned milestones found. sad

New members report
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No new members found. sad

Retired members report
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No new retired members found. smile

For the week as a team:

Statistics  Total Run Time  Points   Results

Date (y:d:h:m:s) Earned Returned
02/14/2010 0:171:19:04:20 435,843 662
02/13/2010 0:163:06:42:31 419,835 649
02/12/2010 0:175:05:04:33 452,529 704
02/11/2010 0:186:02:19:13 472,148 717
02/10/2010 0:166:05:00:33 431,856 686
02/09/2010 0:171:20:51:16 434,603 696
02/08/2010 0:171:09:49:47 444,318 773


Team Records:
Results Returned: 12/19/2007 2,522
Points: 05/06/2009 518,871
Runtime: 01/25/2006 1:123:00:53:34

Good crunching folks!!!!!
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 02/14 - Active Members

Active team members report
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Current Points
Active member name Rank Change Points This Period
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marysduby 1 0 43,030,591 46,325
RT 2 0 32,184,852 105,956
Coingames 3 0 22,009,975 51,851
parmesian 4 0 20,016,547 24,395
nl59056 5 0 15,035,142 0
Dave Bell 6 0 12,074,060 14,384
Esteban69 7 0 11,361,667 4,531
keithhenry 8 0 10,440,272 16,383
Jonathan Figdor 9 0 8,084,028 0
brown chris 10 0 7,097,755 28,897
NiceMedTexMD 11 0 6,972,616 42,180
Fanie 12 0 6,778,978 315
xroule 13 0 6,339,174 0
frans6nl 14 0 5,981,110 4,480
sulcata 15 0 5,487,364 5,056
PohSoon 16 0 5,462,861 0
Vuj 17 0 4,930,725 22,049
Blueprint 18 0 4,484,744 8,456
Tomwp 19 0 2,659,528 5,202
Alain Bryden 20 0 2,586,415 0
lawrencehardin 21 0 2,401,950 2,010
wrr 22 0 2,052,768 2,094
siseberg 23 0 1,826,604 0
Sunny L. Kae 24 0 1,793,235 1,578
Wunderwuzzi 25 0 1,728,942 497
smcclarigan 26 0 1,712,106 4,194
largethunder 27 0 1,651,178 2,403
johng 28 0 1,484,200 4,324
darth_vader 29 0 1,212,322 7,325
harry_i_c 30 0 1,146,376 0
Airwolf_Liu 31 0 1,039,931 2,535
Jockin 32 0 1,012,013 4,920
laughing66607 33 0 984,342 1,520
Bravehart 34 0 871,922 8,773
elpe 35 0 817,522 2,278
imin 36 0 814,371 1,606
Rene Punt 37 0 642,016 3,687
Bon Kuhlman 38 0 592,851 639
Momentary Lapse of Reason 39 0 341,835 490
barney15c 40 0 287,908 664
madambaster 41 0 265,970 1,172
WindmillMan76043 42 0 263,465 0
Natalino 43 0 253,701 709
Daeloan 44 0 226,995 0
Dean Mullins 45 0 141,915 0
Mechanical 46 0 47,215 1,965
hne12359 47 0 18,941 0


Note: Active members are those who earned points in the prior 30 days.

Top Twenty active members returning points today:
01: RT - 105,956 points
02: Coingames - 51,851 points
03: marysduby - 46,325 points
04: NiceMedTexMD - 42,180 points
05: brown chris - 28,897 points
06: parmesian - 24,395 points
07: Vuj - 22,049 points
08: keithhenry - 16,383 points
09: Dave Bell - 14,384 points
10: Bravehart - 8,773 points
11: Blueprint - 8,456 points
12: darth_vader - 7,325 points
13: Tomwp - 5,202 points
14: sulcata - 5,056 points
15: Jockin - 4,920 points
16: Esteban69 - 4,531 points
17: frans6nl - 4,480 points
18: johng - 4,324 points
19: smcclarigan - 4,194 points
20: Rene Punt - 3,687 points

Total points returned today: 435,843
Active members returning points today: 36
Average points per member active today: 12,106.75
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 02/14 - All Members:


Points milestones report
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marysduby reached 43,000,000 points applause
Coingames reached 22,000,000 points applause
parmesian reached 20,000,000 points applause

Runtime milestones report
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Coingames reached 28 years of runtime applause


Good crunching folks!!!!!


that was quite a day! biggrin
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 02/14 - All Members:


Points milestones report
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marysduby reached 43,000,000 points applause
Coingames reached 22,000,000 points applause
parmesian reached 20,000,000 points applause

Runtime milestones report
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Coingames reached 28 years of runtime applause


Good crunching folks!!!!!


that was quite a day! biggrin


That's for sure!
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 02/14 - All Members:


Points milestones report
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marysduby reached 43,000,000 points applause
Coingames reached 22,000,000 points applause
parmesian reached 20,000,000 points applause

Runtime milestones report
=========================
Coingames reached 28 years of runtime applause


Good crunching folks!!!!!


that was quite a day! biggrin


That's for sure!

smile smile smile Way to Go! smile smile smile
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I suppose that there is something that I don't understand - (Not the first time smile ):

FreeHAL seems to be a BOINC-only app. Boinc seems to allow only one process per processor (8 on an I7). Now if you fill those 8 slots with WCG apps, how can you start a HAL process?

Because it runs as virtual machines in memory only and does not use your processors.


OK. *How do you start it* when BOINC is already set to 100% and won't let you set it to anything over that?

You start it like any other project:
1 Go to Tools and select Attach to project.
2 Type in http://freehal.net/freehal_at_home/
3 Select New User and enter email/password
4 When it attaches click finish and you will get one wu (default).
5 Go to My Account at FreeHAL and select FreeHAL preferences and select 25 as max wu's.

EDIT: corrected email/password


It is very surprising to me that you can run 8 WCG work units and any other work units. I went up and tried it. Very interesting... Thanks for the education DM, Chris, Jonathan. I will watch the memory now. As a side light I can't put the value of FreeHAL contribution in the same ballpark as WCG projects (In my case Cancer projects) but it sure is an interesting configuration.


Yes, this is proving rather interesting. I have 56 WUs crunching at a time now on my quad and C2D. Both have 2GB of memory which is pretty much the minimum you need these days. In about 1.25 days on crunching FreeHAL, I already have over 9K BOINC credits - that would be 56K points over at WCG. Each FreeHAL WU takes 1.5-2 hours to complete on my machines and is good for 15 credits each. Memory starts out very low and grows as the task progresses. When nearing completion, they are each using just over 9MB of memory. That's 225MB or so max. If all you do on a machine is crunch, and in particular just WCG, you should be able to run the full 25 concurrent FreeHAL WUs ok. Task Manager shows zero percent CPU so it would support the no impact thought. However, while I'm not an expert on virtualization, there would seem to be some amount of work involved in running and managing the virtual tasks. So far though, I can't see any big impact on my other crunching. I've been running just WCG and FreeHAL for the past 24 hours and just WCG for the 24 prior to that. My WCG points for today are slightly less that yesterday but I can see that difference just from when the WCG tasks hit during the day. I did return two fewer WCG results today that yesterday. Looking at it in terms of points per WCG WU, it's down 18-20 points today vs yesterday. I ran only HFCC WUs on both days. I would suspect more memory might help but I'm a case of someone running minimal memory on the old C2D and quad CPUs (about 2.25 GHZ) machines and I would say any impact of running FreeHAL is minimal. Now, if you're doing real work on a machine or crunching other projects that use lots of memory (like Lattice), you may not be able to run FreeHAL or at least the max of 25 concurrent WUs. Of course when I'm crunching Lattice, I only crunch one Lattice WU at a time anyway and that's without FreeHAL. It doesn't have the appeal as a project that WCG has but I've just increased my daily BOINC credits 4X-5X just by adding the one project without hurting my existing crunching. Who'd have thunk it!
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Thanks for creating that team, Keith! biggrin


Chris, you'll never know just how much I appreciate you asking first rather than just going ahead and creating it yourself without asking.
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