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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Oh, I should add that FreeHAL downloads and uploads are very small. It downloads the 25 WU's, runs them, and, once all 25 have completed and uploaded, reports them and then downloads the next batch of 25. That's a little bit different from what you'll be use to. You'll also see it run to 100% complete and then run for another minute or two before it uploads. That appears to be normal.
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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I suppose that there is something that I don't understand - (Not the first time ):FreeHAL seems to be a BOINC-only app. Boinc seems to allow only one process per processor (8 on an I7). Now if you fill those 8 slots with WCG apps, how can you start a HAL process? Because it runs as virtual machines in memory only and does not use your processors. OK. *How do you start it* when BOINC is already set to 100% and won't let you set it to anything over that? You start it like any other project: 1 Go to Tools and select Attach to project. 2 Type in http://freehal.net/freehal_at_home/ 3 Select New User and enter email/password 4 When it attaches click finish and you will get one wu (default). 5 Go to My Account at FreeHAL and select FreeHAL preferences and select 25 as max wu's. EDIT: corrected email/password It is very surprising to me that you can run 8 WCG work units and any other work units. I went up and tried it. Very interesting... Thanks for the education DM, Chris, Jonathan. I will watch the memory now. As a side light I can't put the value of FreeHAL contribution in the same ballpark as WCG projects (In my case Cancer projects) but it sure is an interesting configuration. Yes, this is proving rather interesting. I have 56 WUs crunching at a time now on my quad and C2D. Both have 2GB of memory which is pretty much the minimum you need these days. In about 1.25 days on crunching FreeHAL, I already have over 9K BOINC credits - that would be 56K points over at WCG. Each FreeHAL WU takes 1.5-2 hours to complete on my machines and is good for 15 credits each. Memory starts out very low and grows as the task progresses. When nearing completion, they are each using just over 9MB of memory. That's 225MB or so max. If all you do on a machine is crunch, and in particular just WCG, you should be able to run the full 25 concurrent FreeHAL WUs ok. Task Manager shows zero percent CPU so it would support the no impact thought. However, while I'm not an expert on virtualization, there would seem to be some amount of work involved in running and managing the virtual tasks. So far though, I can't see any big impact on my other crunching. I've been running just WCG and FreeHAL for the past 24 hours and just WCG for the 24 prior to that. My WCG points for today are slightly less that yesterday but I can see that difference just from when the WCG tasks hit during the day. I did return two fewer WCG results today that yesterday. Looking at it in terms of points per WCG WU, it's down 18-20 points today vs yesterday. I ran only HFCC WUs on both days. I would suspect more memory might help but I'm a case of someone running minimal memory on the old C2D and quad CPUs (about 2.25 GHZ) machines and I would say any impact of running FreeHAL is minimal. Now, if you're doing real work on a machine or crunching other projects that use lots of memory (like Lattice), you may not be able to run FreeHAL or at least the max of 25 concurrent WUs. Of course when I'm crunching Lattice, I only crunch one Lattice WU at a time anyway and that's without FreeHAL. It doesn't have the appeal as a project that WCG has but I've just increased my daily BOINC credits 4X-5X just by adding the one project without hurting my existing crunching. Who'd have thunk it! I tried FreeHAL just to see if it worked as described and to my surprise it does. While it is an interesting project, I do not see it as "worthy" in the same sense as the WCG projects. Granted it is a source of "easy" credits/points but I am focused on contributing to causes. So.. once I get a bunch of them running to see the effect (looks as if their server is down at the moment), I will again concentrate my resources on WCG. It would be great to find a project that mirrors that resource usage and solves a humanitarian problem ala WCG. Interesting indeed. This has been an educational Sunday. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by RT at Feb 15, 2010 2:51:02 PM] |
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..........................CONGRATULATIONS MARYSDUBY ON REACHING 43,000,000 MOT POINTS !!!........................ |
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..........................CONGRATULATIONS Coingames ON REACHING 22,000,000 MOT POINTS !!!........................ [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 15, 2010 4:20:55 AM] |
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...........................CONGRATULATIONS parmesian ON REACHING 20,000,000 MOT POINTS !!!......................... |
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I suppose that there is something that I don't understand - (Not the first time ):FreeHAL seems to be a BOINC-only app. Boinc seems to allow only one process per processor (8 on an I7). Now if you fill those 8 slots with WCG apps, how can you start a HAL process? Because it runs as virtual machines in memory only and does not use your processors. OK. *How do you start it* when BOINC is already set to 100% and won't let you set it to anything over that? You start it like any other project: 1 Go to Tools and select Attach to project. 2 Type in http://freehal.net/freehal_at_home/ 3 Select New User and enter email/password 4 When it attaches click finish and you will get one wu (default). 5 Go to My Account at FreeHAL and select FreeHAL preferences and select 25 as max wu's. EDIT: corrected email/password It is very surprising to me that you can run 8 WCG work units and any other work units. I went up and tried it. Very interesting... Thanks for the education DM, Chris, Jonathan. I will watch the memory now. As a side light I can't put the value of FreeHAL contribution in the same ballpark as WCG projects (In my case Cancer projects) but it sure is an interesting configuration. Yes, this is proving rather interesting. I have 56 WUs crunching at a time now on my quad and C2D. Both have 2GB of memory which is pretty much the minimum you need these days. In about 1.25 days on crunching FreeHAL, I already have over 9K BOINC credits - that would be 56K points over at WCG. Each FreeHAL WU takes 1.5-2 hours to complete on my machines and is good for 15 credits each. Memory starts out very low and grows as the task progresses. When nearing completion, they are each using just over 9MB of memory. That's 225MB or so max. If all you do on a machine is crunch, and in particular just WCG, you should be able to run the full 25 concurrent FreeHAL WUs ok. Task Manager shows zero percent CPU so it would support the no impact thought. However, while I'm not an expert on virtualization, there would seem to be some amount of work involved in running and managing the virtual tasks. So far though, I can't see any big impact on my other crunching. I've been running just WCG and FreeHAL for the past 24 hours and just WCG for the 24 prior to that. My WCG points for today are slightly less that yesterday but I can see that difference just from when the WCG tasks hit during the day. I did return two fewer WCG results today that yesterday. Looking at it in terms of points per WCG WU, it's down 18-20 points today vs yesterday. I ran only HFCC WUs on both days. I would suspect more memory might help but I'm a case of someone running minimal memory on the old C2D and quad CPUs (about 2.25 GHZ) machines and I would say any impact of running FreeHAL is minimal. Now, if you're doing real work on a machine or crunching other projects that use lots of memory (like Lattice), you may not be able to run FreeHAL or at least the max of 25 concurrent WUs. Of course when I'm crunching Lattice, I only crunch one Lattice WU at a time anyway and that's without FreeHAL. It doesn't have the appeal as a project that WCG has but I've just increased my daily BOINC credits 4X-5X just by adding the one project without hurting my existing crunching. Who'd have thunk it! I tried FreeHAL just to see if it worked as described and to my surprise it does. While it is an interesting project, I do not see it as "worthy" in the same sense as the WCG projects. Granted it is a source of "easy" credits/points but I am focused on contributing to causes. So.. once I get a bunch of them running to see the effect (looks as if their server is down at the moment), I will again concentrate my resources on WCG. It would be great to find a project that mirrors that resourse usage and solves a humanatarian problem ala WCG. Interesting indeed. This has been an educational Sunday. Yeah, I wish WCG was better at using the vast variety of computing resources we can put at their disposal, from CPUs, to GPUs, to RAM intensive programs, we could accomplish quite a bit. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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FYI....we have past the $2000 mark over at Kiva.org now with 61 loans now by the team!!
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FYI....we have past the $2000 mark over at Kiva.org now with 61 loans now by the team!! BTW, you don't have to be a member of MOT here to join us at Kiva. Thanks, Keith. I went over and found I had some cash lying around from loan repayments. No problem. It is back to work with a group making furniture in the Philippines. Good Morning MOT!  |
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brown chris
Master Cruncher California - USA Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 2399 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Thanks for creating that team, Keith!  Chris, you'll never know just how much I appreciate you asking first rather than just going ahead and creating it yourself without asking. Well, you are the captain!
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FYI....we have past the $2000 mark over at Kiva.org now with 61 loans now by the team!! BTW, you don't have to be a member of MOT here to join us at Kiva. Thought you might be interested in Team Atheism at Kiva, proving that you can be good without God. http://www.kiva.org/community/teams/view?team_id=94 It's nice to see religious and non-religious people working side by side in a good cause, like WCG, Kiva, etc. |
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