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Re: Badge for participation

Well astrolab,
I'm here since 2004, as many crunchers too, and since I started never get a WU with .36 hours of duration in my machines, except for few ones in the very recent Beta's and DDDT2 WU's (this year !)...
So are you saying that you can or cannot get a WU that runs for .36 hours. Make up your mind. Let me give you a hint on the correct answer. You can get a WU that lasts only .36 hours. Since the discussion on badges is about all crunchers, I felt it appropriate to include everyone. I though it was about what you did, not about your age.
So, sorry but I'm compelling to believe that the issue with your acceptance of this idea, appear be other than you are trying show us, maybe something related with the fact that you probably won't get any new badge if this thread request go ahead.
Don't make this personal. Nothing I have said in this thread has been about any one individual. The only things that you can say about me personally is that I have EARNED every one of my badges, based on the rules that were in place on the day I started, that I am not asking for any freebies, that I reject the idea that others should get freebies for less than the minimum COMMITMENT and that I reject the idea of changing the commitment from 14 days to 1 WU.
I really don't know what the problem, and I'm not here trying start a war with you to became it public, once it doesn't matter except for you (on the contrary, once I ever will defend the fact that anyone have the right to have your personal point of view about anything, different or not of any other people).
A WAR. WOW. Didn't see that coming.
Meanwhile, if you invest this huge energy to build better the ideas you are presenting, I guess that maybe you will reach more results defending your perspective of things.
You must have missed reading ANY of my posts. You think I have to DEFEND my position because it differs from yours. Here I was in the midst of a discussion and a trial broke out. I just didn't see that coming either.
I saw that you have a lot of ambiguity in your mind, once assume distinct sides when it is suitable/convenient for you. So, I guess that you need rethink a lot about take a clear decision regarding what side you will assume during discussions in WCG involving exclusions/inclusions of crunchers/people in something posted here.
Fine let me summarize very simply so you are no longer confused by your assumption that I was somehow being ambiguous. #1. No badges for less than 14 days on any project. Now let me think. What was my other idea....... Thinking....... Thinking....... Nope that's it. I am done. Sorry that my multiple positions appeared ambiguous and thanks for the opportunity to clear that up.

Now I see it. You actually thought I WANTED a Bronze badge with 30 1/2 stars for a cruncher that has only 44.5 days on a project. Sorry. I was being facetious in an attempt to ridicule the idea that a cruncher should be awarded a badge for EVERY WU that they complete. I was trying to make a point and perhaps the subtle humour was lost in the language and interpretation. I just can't be serious about everything all the time.
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Re: Badge for participation

Can you tell me again what is the benefit of taking the hard-line road on rewarding the volunteers with this virtual (cost nothing at all) badges
On the contrary, everything about this project has a cost, from the massive server farm, to the crunchers to the data space to the electricity.

And that includes the labour costs to make changes to any part of this system.

But I did smile when I read your 'virtual (cost nothing at all) badges' when we are having a discussion about badges which have no value.
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Fine let me summarize very simply so you are no longer confused by your assumption that I was somehow being ambiguous. #1. No badges for less than 14 days on any project. Now let me think. What was my other idea....... Thinking....... Thinking....... Nope that's it. I am done. Sorry that my multiple positions appeared ambiguous and thanks for the opportunity to clear that up.

People actually have badges already for doing 1 days work on African Climate!
Further, they only had to run between 1 and 4 tasks to get that badge.
Unfortunately for my limited badge collection I ran the only 2 tasks I was sent during the whole project on what was a fast computer at the time. So I only ended up with 14h worth of time, and missed out on a badge. If I had underclocked the system or had been using an older system I would have got a badge - Yes, for doing the same amount of work, just more slowly!
The badge system rewards slow and fast computers equally, but only in terms of time contributed. It takes no account of the fact that fast computers cost more to buy and to run. You could say it encourages people to run slow systems. An atom330 system will get you the same amount of badges as a Q9650!
How is 1days worth of African Climate tasks worth more than my 2 days (41 tasks) for Genome Comparison? That went down well at the time! If the African Climate badge was shortened, because there were so few tasks, why do the longer projects not have a longer requirement? The system makes limited sense, but the WCG chose this system, not me, and where I don't agree that badges be rewarded for time (I would prefer points, or some dual system) it is their call.
No badges for less than 14 days on any project
It sounds like you are suggesting these African Climate badges be removed?
I would prefer the inclusive alternative, to allocate a clear or white badge as and when 1task was returned valid.
I dont like the idea of moving the goal posts; 14days is not much on an i7, but on a single core laptop it is plenty. If 14days moved out to even 30 or 45days it would put many new crunchers off the idea of contributing. Give them a white badge and use the, "€œon mouse over, display"€ days and points suggestion and it would keep everyone happy, even if the bronze was moved out to a month or more. We know what the badges mean, 2 weeks, 6weeks-ish, 3months-ish, 6months, one year, 2years (and then what ever else they eventually get round to sometime in the distant future). So if there was a 1task or 1day clear or white badge, we would know what it means. One white badge or 5 still means newbie. They get some early acknowledgement and are just more likely to post on the forums with a badge than without, and therefore more likely to hang around for a while.
1task (clear badge)
1day (white badge)
1week (white badge with an outline)
2weeks (bronze)
4weeks (bronze with outline)
3months (silver -€“ moved out from 6weeks)
6months (gold -€“ moved out from 3months)
1year (Red)
4years (Green)
10years (Blue)
100years (Black)
1000years (has to be pink with yellow spots)!
(all with mouse over display days and points for that badge).
The reason I want the latter badges stretched out is that we already have 12threaded systems and these will increase to 48 within 3 years. So better to make a badge system to encourage new comers, power-crunchers, and the future all at once. I want a 4year badge and a 10year badge to aim at now, but there are already people with over 100years for one badge; they still need a target.
So if we are going to have a badge system setup an inclusive one that is for everyone and the future.
Do it correctly this time!
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Re: Badge for participation

It is what it is and no back peddling will take place on any past awarded badges for whatever arbitrary value. ACAH was an exception to the general rule, a project which as I understand in that concept will never be run that way again by WCG. 10 quads could have done it alone in less time. 2 years per 6 months, 33 years for the project total and many then crunching on singles and duo's.

As for inflation, certificates is what will be next and knreed already lifted a tip of the vale in a forum post. Practically, not seeing there ever to be badges beyond black pearl and pink painite. Maybe the certificate value mentioned in the left margin... there is this black white space left between member name/title and badges after all.

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Re: Badge for participation

we also need a badge for "NO participation in project ____" :)
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Re: Badge for participation

we also need a badge for "NO participation in project ____" :)

Posters send on a guilt trip. 16 No Contribution badges... the white one with a cross through ;O)
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rembertw
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Re: Badge for participation

Maybe with an added number: crunched ... days short of getting the next level badge. Add shame to guilt. biggrin
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Re: Badge for participation

we also need a badge for "NO participation in project ____" :)

Remember that people also might want to express themselves via badges. So, we need to have several levels of No Participation Badges (NPB). In addition to the Badge of Disgrace (BoD), there should be at least the Badge of Avoidance (BoA).
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Re: Badge for participation

You have a point there. Maybe something can be done with a roll-over function on those badges. Depending on the case, a roll-over might show an anger smily (BoA) or a shame smily (BoD). A sleeping smily could be used for BoL (badge of laziness, those who crunch less then average 2 hours/day/core/project).

Should not be too hard to program, and I'm certain it will help increasing the crunching level of WCG, and have an immediate positive influence on WCG membership. And, most important: everybody can have 16 badges without lifting a finger!
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Re: Badge for participation

What about a badge for those that don't even know about WCG???? it is not their fault we didn't tell them, a "Never even bothered to sign up" or maybe troll the net, collect any/all emails (could be WCG Project with points, badges etc) and add them (with badge of course) to "potential contribitor" club :)
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