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Re: LENR, LANR, COLD FUSION, E-CAT, FREE ENERGY STARTS 2012

NASA and Boeing are planning Cold Fusion Aircrafts biggrin .


Can you really be sure? They have been know to practice misdirection, think SST and 747. Just a thought.
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NASA and Boeing are planning Cold Fusion Aircrafts biggrin .
Can you really be sure? They have been know to practice misdirection, think SST and 747. Just a thought.
There are a lot of un-connected dots between 'the LENR concept provided the highest payoff' and 'NASA and Boeing are planning Cold Fusion Aircrafts', not to mention weak dots ('planning' is far from the sure-footed 'commited'). But, cruncher damir1978 may be forgiven for jumping to conclusions favorable to coldFusion and related technologies -- if only on account of damir1978's displayed enthusiasm towards said technologies. coffee
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Although Andzgrid and Griddlecrunch are right about me jumping to conclusions, the jump was made on purpose, to reflect the most disturbing trend for these two big companies (institution in NASA case), to be very serious about LENR in all their "under the radar" studies and at the same time to be completely non-supportive of LENR when it comes to mainstream science.

This dissociation in goals and actions can be explained only with LENR being currently under very heavy black program. As it is now, feasible LENR is being established slowly through these studies, reason being that for some time now NASA, Boeing, DoD and other important players are aware of existence of disruptive LENR devices that we, the public are not.

So in other words, these public institutions (NASA, DoD, etc. whoever they are) are deceiving us and they are doing so for some time now (LENR didn't just become feasible over night), the only reason I can think of being that the Elite that controls them and us, do not want the status-quo (aka the horrible world we are living in, made as such by the Elite) disturbed, because they didn't figure out yet how they can deal with the control that cold fusion tech gives to ordinary people.
So they are afraid of loosing their grip over us because of this disruptive (to them only) technology.

However, looking at the latest interviews (also the first) with Aldo Proia, the CEO of Prometeon (http://www.prometeon.it/ - E-CAT licensee for Italy and San Marino) it appears that the Elite (maybe just a faction of it) has finally acknowledged that LENR technology cannot be hidden anymore and better for them to control it at every level through regulations and certifications and other means also (aka government & company corruption), then to let somebody not related to them (aka somebody knowledgeable from the people) to release this Intellectual Property to the world and in doing so, give people a chance in challenging them.

http://www.greenstyle.it/e-cat-industriali-gi...-ad-aldo-proia-10932.html

http://ildemocratico.com/2012/07/23/fusione-f...ttore-delle-cat-italiano/

You will have to Google translate these interviews.

How can NASA-Boeing teams make a report on LENR based engines when at this point in time there are no official LENR devices with great energy output and not even a stable theory regarding the phenomenon? On what they based their calculations on? Air?

NASA and Boeing are not stupid. They made and released this report because they were told to do so. Why now though? What is different now with LENR? Maybe because it is very close to appear on the industrial market?
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NASA and Boeing are not stupid. They made and released this report because they were told to do so. Why now though? What is different now with LENR? Maybe because it is very close to appear on the industrial market?

NASA JPL 1994 Workshop on Faster-Than-Light Travel
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/possible.html
It is almost 20 years later. Are we there yet?

Here is something that is "now being explored," Antimatter. According to:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/antistat.html
"Technology is now being explored to make antimatter carrying cases, to consider using antimatter for medical purposes, and to consider how to make antimatter rockets."
How long until we get there?
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The articles griddlecrunch is referring to are about NASA theory workshops. A different beast than a 18 Months Joint Research project NASA-Boeing, also split in 2 parallel Teams - that shows they put big money in it.

So one is theoretical work (made but few theorists) and another is application research (made by 2 parallel technical teams).

Another article about Siemens (that is supposedly working with Rossi on the electricity conversion from E-CAT technology) positioning themselves for the Cold Fusion market (bellow the Google translated version):

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/impresa-e-terr...aldo-energia-064342.shtml

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An operation to raise cash, with the prospect of selling an asset operating in an industry - energy - which, although affected by the global crisis, is expected to grow worldwide, to focus instead on sectors that are currently accuse much stronger contractions, such as defense and aerospace. So the union, but also experts and operators in the industry read the will, more and more apparent, the top management of Finmeccanica's Ansaldo Energia to sell to the German giant Siemens, which, apparently, in these hours is perfecting an offer for the company Italian.
The sale, as is known, is part of the drawing multiple times and confirmed by the President of the Finmeccanica group, Giuseppe Orsi, alienating segments "civilian" of the group (Ansaldo Energia, Ansaldo STS and Ansaldo Breda), to focus on three strategic areas: helicopters, defense, aerospace. Ansaldo Energia is currently controlled by Finmeccanica, with 55% of the shares. The remaining 45% was sold in March 2011 to U.S. First Reserve, specializing in energy, for 500 million euros. The then a number of Finmeccanica, Pierfrancesco Guarguaglini, the Americans had promised the IPO of Ansaldo Energia in the medium term. First Reserve, however, has an option on the share Genovese Finmeccanica company, with which Siemens has to deal. Fallen to legal problems the old Summit, Bear has radically changed course, focusing on sales to Siemens. The latter would pay 100% of the company and 1.3 billion euros. A boon to the coffers of Finmeccanica, which counted 2.3 billion losses, caused, however, especially from the defense sector (mainly from Alenia and Selex) and Ansaldo Breda.
The Genoese group specializing in the development of gas turbines, steam generators and power plants, however, has accounts in place. In 2010 (latest figure available consolidated) boasted revenues of 1.4 billion and 3,400 employees, nearly 3 thousand of them in Liguria (including 200 of Ansaldo Nuclear) and the rest in the seats of Switzerland, Holland, Abu Dhabi and Turkey. The only Ansaldo Energia Spa, on the other hand, in 2011 he scored in the budget revenues of 1.2 billion. The group, in Italian, generates, explains Anthony Apa, secretary general of Uilm Liguria, "induced a nearly 10 thousand jobs which, in the last three years, Ansaldo Energia has provided work for 700 million." There is no industrial reason, the union leader says, "because it reduces the scope of Finmeccanica focusing on defense and space sectors falling worldwide, when they pull energy and transport, own the assets that you want to sell. In addition, Ansaldo Energia is not charged in any way on financial statements of Finmeccanica. Because self-financing its research and development. The company, in the last 5 years, has brought 1.2 billion into the coffers of Finmeccnica. And it is also a reality that, in an economic downturn like the one in place, is able to acquire orders from abroad and bring them to Italy. " In fact, in 2011 Ansaldo Energia purchase orders for 335 million from Italy, 389 from Europe, Africa for 479 to 28 million from the Middle East for 15 from the Americas and Asia for 3 million. Not to mention that the subsidiary Ansaldo Nuclear is the only Italian company that still has nuclear engineers engaged, among other things, the development of reactors of the third generation AND cold fusion.
Then there is the crux of the licenses. Because up to 2005 Ansaldo has worked with Siemens licenses. He was freed from dependence, creating products that, starting from Siemens technology, developed by Italian researchers. «Now - says Apa - Ansaldo proposes a turbine much more ductile than its counterpart made by Siemens. It expires in 2015 non-aggression agreement signed with the Germans in 2005. " Easy to understand, then, the German interest in acquiring a dangerous competitor, albeit smaller, which would be easily transformed into a subsidiary of the multinational and deprived of his thinking head. Difficult, however, to discern what would be, for Italy, the advantage of losing a very important asset. Because an alternative exists: the sale of the stake (in whole or in part) of the CDP, Finmeccanica, waiting to find an industrial partner to replace the Americans or to flank them. Another solution to restore Finmeccanica, Apa suggests, "might be the sale of 30% of Agusta Westland or Drs. Bears might derive from such operations from 2000 to 3000 million. "

P.S. I rectified the translation in order to avoid confusion about third generation and cold fusion topics. the "Third generation" topic I think it is about third generation nuclear fission models, currently the most modern nuclear fission commercial technology.

Cold Fusion still stands out as something Ansaldo Energia is deeply involved. So, naturally Siemens want's it.
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A short article that shows better the current situation on who is getting involved in Cold Fusion. Big names from the "Big circles":

http://e-catsite.com/2012/07/18/diverse-inter...dicates-a-paradigm-shift/
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A short article that shows better the current situation on who is getting involved in Cold Fusion. Big names from the "Big circles":

http://e-catsite.com/2012/07/18/diverse-inter...dicates-a-paradigm-shift/

With that many folks interested, looks like the next generation power supply.
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A short article that shows better the current situation on who is getting involved in Cold Fusion. Big names from the "Big circles"
Because, as we all know, it is not about whether something actually works, it's about the size of the companies that think it works. The OP has certainly proven that this works since NASA and Los Alamos have allowed their name to be associated. It's too bad that Einstein had to put in all that effort into his research. If NASA had been around, he could have saved himself a lot of work. He could have just had NASA say that it worked and then he wouldn't have had to prove it.
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Very interesting and comprehensive Fact Sheet about LENR 1989-2012 with new information related to newest developments in this field.
This fact sheet is essential to whomever wants to get ahead in understanding how the energy change will start first in the industry:

http://www.slideshare.net/tylervan/lenr

You can be a healthy skeptic till a certain point beyond which is not healthy anymore, but harms your front view.
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You can be a healthy skeptic till a certain point beyond which is not healthy anymore, but harms your front view
Actually you are totally wrong. It is actually acceptable to be a skeptic until proven wrong. On that front, this theory has 30 years of no proof. Lots of talk, conversation starters, opinions and money. Plenty of politicians and bankers. Even a few Nobel Prize winners that have no skills or experience on the subject. No proof.

On another topic, I spoke with my friend at the Home Depot head office in the purchasing department. Never heard of it. Doesn't surprise me. 2012 is nearly 7/12 gone.
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