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Re: LENR, LANR, COLD FUSION, E-CAT, FREE ENERGY STARTS 2012


So what about this report from EU. Interesting, no?


In a word, no.

Show us published peer review material if you wish to be taken the least bit seriously. You see, this is how science works and how the world is saved from over-hyped non-existent technology.
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So what about this report from EU. Interesting, no?


In a word, no.

Show us published peer review material if you wish to be taken the least bit seriously. You see, this is how science works and how the world is saved from over-hyped non-existent technology.



Wow. You pulled a Shania Twain on me: "That Don't Impress Me Much"smile

Whether you consider LENR interesting or not is not more important than whether EU and others consider it. Of course, I understand you being impatient over this miracle of science to be validated by your TV station or daily newspaper but you have to be patient now: before the world is changing due to this disruptive technology, much needs to be considered by various important players.

Right now, we just get bits of info from there and there. Soon, we will get the organized version of it. Let's hope you will not get the CENTRAL POWER monopoly version.
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This piece of information is comming from Retired Prof., University of Bologna, Former Ambassador of Greece in Rome Christos Stremmenos and is regarding E-CAT, A. Rossi and Defkalion creation and subsequent separation from Rossi:

"Christos Stremmenos
July 4th, 2012 at 4:36 AM

I USUALLY DO NOT RESPOND TO STATEMENTS OF QUESTIONABLE RELIABILITY LIKE THE FOLLOWING ONES, WHICH APPEAR IN “EGO OUT” IN AN INTERVIEW BY PETER GLUCK: Interview.

I’m doing it for two reasons. The first is in defense of the dignity of LENR or COLD FUSION, AN ISSUE TO WHICH I HAVE DEDICATED 20 YEARS AND MORE OF MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, AND WHICH IS, ONCE AGAIN, AT RISK OF BEING DISPARAGED. THIS TIME, THE ATTACK IS NOT CONDUCTED ON THE (PSEUDO-?) SCIENTIFIC LEVEL, LIKE AT MIT IN 1989, BUT IN A GENERAL PERSPECTIVE OF SPECULATION, on the part of characters, who, though incompetent, are usually opportunists in the economic and entrepreneurial field.

The groundlessness of their statements — due to the fact that up to now nothing substantial has been publicly demonstrated by them — constitutes a serious threat in terms of further defamation for LENR-related work.

Sweeping generalizations — drawing into the maelstrom of media misinformation even those who, with their hard work and competence, are seriously intent on promoting the new energy era (a fact to which I have been eyewitness on numerous public occasions) — are in my opinion unfair, and come at the expense of the enormous value that this issue has for the future of humanity and of the planet.

The second reason, which places me under the moral obligation to bear witness (…even in a courtroom…), is the first question put forth by PETER GLUCK TO THE (ANONYMOUS?) MANAGEMENT OF DGTG:

“WHEN WAS YOUR COMPANY ESTABLISHED AND WITH WHAT PURPOSE?”.

Allow me, in order to fit my reply within a proper sequence of events, to refer to a Party conference on energy held in Athens in 2004, in the course of which I presented my old friend G[eorge]. A[ndreas]. Papandreou (future Prime Minister of Greece) with a report on my research work in Bologna on Cold Fusion (Pd/D and Ni/H), emphasizing that such research was not only scientifically extremely promising, but, in my opinion, interesting on the political and environmental level as well, with possible important economic implications especially in the development of a Green Economy.

We parted with the promise of bringing each other up to date periodically, as he also felt that that the issue was of utmost importance.

Going a step further back in time to the early nineteen-nineties in Bologna, and in the wake of Fleischmann [1] and Pons’s [2] experience, we were striving, together with other colleagues of the University including Prof. Focardi, to conduct parallel research on Cold Fusion. We would exchange opinions, materials, instruments … optimism and trust… a veritable and atypical independent collaboration which continued for quite some time, convinced as we were, on the basis of the experimental results obtained, that the phenomenon of Cold Fusion was real.

It was Focardi who, four years ago, informed me of the formidable QUANTITY leap which had been achieved through the initiative, suggestions and participation of Dr. A. Rossi, in a series of experiments in which the amount of excess heat leapt from watts to Kilowatts.

I rejoiced at the news, because it was clear that the usual experimental phase of 4-5 watts in excess that we had obtained, working doggedly and for a long time without resources or moral incentives, was over. It was a victory for all of us …! But, as I believed then and still believe now, it was a victory for mankind.

After meeting Andrea Rossi on his return from the USA, we agreed with and shared the idea of launching the European level of the new energy technology in Greece — for cultural as well as economic reasons (especially in view of the current critical contingency) — and, specifically, “with exclusive rights for Greece and the Balkans”.

With this informal agreement, I went to Athens to inform G. Papandreou, who had by then become Prime Minister of the Greek Government. Papandreou called for an ad hoc meeting to plan the development of this energy innovation.

Present at the meeting, presided over by the Prime Minister, were the Secretary General for Research and Technology, Prof. Mitsòs, the Deputy CEO of the State Energy Agency (DEH), Dr. Baratsis, and other collaborators to the Prime Minister, as well as myself. After ample information and discussion, the Greek Government expressed its intention to proceed with a feasibility plan, extending to the industrial level, of Rossi’s technology. Allow me to omit the subsequent behind-the-scenes scenarios, in terms of denigration of this issue, which were brought about by the usual “skeptical experts” who, though never having had any contact with the experimental reality of Cold Fusion, were nonetheless successful in exerting a negative influence on its image, thereby hindering the evolution of the project on the public investment level.

About two months later, Alex Xanthoulis, an economist I was only slightly acquainted with, comes to the fore, with a view of developing Rossi’s technology entrepreneurially.

In concert with Andrea Rossi, we invited him to Bologna for a demonstration of a small E-Cat reactor (about 2 Kw), in the presence of Prof. Focardi. Test and relevant calorimetric measurements were entirely performed, under Rossi’s vigilant eye, by J. Hatzihristos and G. Sorticos, who had accompanied Xanthoulis. Subsequently, in the midst of the usual enthusiasm for the test, a date was set for the following month, November 2010, for signing the contract in Athens between the brand-new ad hoc corporation “Defkalion GT”, and EFA, the firm holding the territorial rights for Europe over Rossi’s invention.
The contract provided for, among other things, financial obligations to EFA on the part of DGT, to be met in two phases of the project: the deadline for the first phase was set for Feb. 24th, 2011, when a certain sum would have been guaranteed for collection on the part of EFA, subsequent to the success of a test performed by a certifying body (the University of Patras), in return for a license on Rossi’s pending patent, with exclusive development rights for Greece and the Balkans, and rights of pre-emption for the rest of the world with the exclusion of the USA.

The second phase provided for the implementation, within an 8-10 month period of industrial R&D in Greece, of a domestic module (“Hyperìon”). At this point, Rossi’s technology (Leonardo Corp.) would have been transferred [to DGT], with obligations for technical assistance and guidance, placing DGT under the obligation to pay a second installment to EFA.

NOT ONE THESE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS WAS EVER MET BY “DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGY”. As a logical consequence, after seven months of fruitless and psychologically exhausting expectations, in AUGUST 2011 Rossi challenged THE CONTRACT WITH “DEFKALION GT”.

On a personal level, I am indirectly burdened by the weight of DEFKALION GT’s disparaging unreliability and inconsistency, despite the fact of my having interrupted all contact with that party as of said August date.

In a manner of conclusion, I find to this day that the irrational brashness of periodically relating, as a result of these facts, … things such as the contents of that interview, and communicating over the Internet inconsistent scientific and technological achievements, is inconceivable.

(Moreover…!!!) Respect is due to what, through hard work, competence, and less communication Rossi is striving to accomplish…!

Ch. Stremmenos

(Retired Prof., University of Bologna,
Former Ambassador of Greece in Rome)."

While this shows how business can be certainly dirty, it is also showing that the establishment (government, big business, other elite body) knows about E-CAT and the whole Cold Fusion breakthrough thing.

So with Defkalion going to ICCF-17 there is another chance that they are not fraud, but business and they will make a huge business out of Rossi discovery.

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So on Dec 31 2012,
can we close this thread?
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So on Dec 31 2012,
can we close this thread?


Very constructive of you. Any other Stalinist ideas?

What else? Forcing admins to ban me just because I am talking about an emerging technology on WCG forums? You must feel very threatened and insecure but banning LENR will not solve your problem.
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Which will come first: Peer review or Close this thread. While the latter appeals to me, I can wait for the former because it is going to happen REALLY SOON NOW. (picture me holding my breath!)

I had to laugh. I went back and read the very first post
E-CAT: 10KW - Home Unit - Coming to Home Depot end of year (2012)
Cost: between 800$-1500$ Recharge fuel every 6 month with 10$ cartridge (mainly Nickel powder inside)
HYPERION 45KW Commercial - Home Unit - Going trough certifications and going for 2012 release
You won't even be able to find the beginning of the lineup.
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The only bet I am willing to take now is not regarding E-Cat or Hyperion, reason being that I am not (directly/indirectly) involved in E-CAT or Hyperion's development, so I can't control anything regarding their development or even marketing.

The only bet I will take right now is regarding Cold Fusion as phenomenon. And is a bet I already win, due to all the evidence from all the important players that I named over and over in my posts plus some that I did not named yet.

For the next bet, regarding commercial cold fusion device I am very optimist in taking it even now, but, like you I am expecting third party involvement in E-Cat and Hyperion before betting anything.

But being that 20 years ago Cold Fusion looked like magic and these days it is more and more accepted and improved, I am optimist about E-Cat and Hyperion for 2012. Am I sure of it? No. War can happen before end of the year or economic crisis or what not?. So I am waiting patiently and update you on Cold Fusion as general field and commercial devices as something that is particularly important from an economic point of view.

So here it is some reflections on the “International Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Symposium, ILENRS-12” that was on July 1-3, 2012.

http://www.cvent.com/events/international-low...479ca69ff752477cbd25.aspx
Please check attendees list:
http://www.cvent.com/events/international-low...479ca69ff752477cbd25.aspx

USDOD (United States Department of Defense) is first in the attendees at this event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense


reflections posted by Jed Rothwell (http://lenr-canr.org/)
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg67105.html

reflections on Cold Fusion posted by Josh Mitteldorf who attended the conference.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Cold-Fusio...itteldorf-120704-254.html
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National Instrument Week is a very important annual industry event and Brillouin Energy Corp and others will be there.

"NIWeek, the annual global conference on graphical system design, brings together more than 3,000 leading engineers and scientists across a spectrum of industries, from automotive to telecommunications to robotics to energy. They gather each year to learn new technology that provides disruptive competitive advantages when developing software-defined systems for measurement and control. "

NI 2012 (August 6-9 2012) has three LENR/Cold Fusion events scheduled:

TS9240 8/8/12 3:30 PM – 4:00 PM
Status of CMNS/CF/LENR Research at Kobe-Technova
Length: 30 Minute
Technical Level: Introductory

Abstract: The Kobe-Technova team has worked to elucidate the underlying physics of anomalous heat evolution effects in deuterium (D) and protium (H) gas-loaded nano-metal-compound systems. Basic tools are the twin D(H) gas-loading equipment and the supporting theoretical modeling by the TSC multibody fusion theory. Using various Pd-based and Ni-based nanofabricated samples, the team has reproducibly observed anomalous heat effects with isotopic differences using time-dependent (dynamic) data of thermal-power evolutions, D(H)/metal-atom loading ratios, and their temperature dependence (for Ni-based cases).
NIWeek Speaker: Akito Takahashi
Senior Adviser
Technova Inc.

TS10486 8/8/12 4:00PM – 4:30PM
Title: Commercialization of LENR Technology
Length: 30 Minute
Technical Level: Introductory

Abstract: In the quest for alternative energy, researchers have tried to understand the intense heat release of Pd-D or Ni-H reactions. By understanding the physics behind this lower energy nuclear reaction (LENR) phenomenon, researchers can control the reaction. Discover how Brillouin Energy Corporation has demonstrated control over the reaction, who the early adopters are likely to be, the types of systems that will be commercialized, and the applications these systems will address.
NIWeek Speaker: Robert Godes
President and Chief Technology Officer
Brillouin Energy Corp


TS10500 8/7/12 (Tuesday 7th)
Title: Keynote: The Quest for Alternative Energy—Anomalous Heat Effect (a.k.a. Cold Fusion)
Length:1 Hour
Technical Level: Introductory

Abstract: Several labs around the world are trying to replicate the phenomenon known as “cold fusion.” While the term has evoked controversy, many research facilities have observed over 200 instances of intense heat. This demonstrates either an unknown physical event or a need for better measurement and control tools. In both cases, NI can provide the tools to accelerate innovation and scientific discovery. The Big Physics and Science Summit brings together experts to discuss these anomalous heat effects, the status of theoretical research, experimental results, and the prospect of commercializing this technology for daily energy needs.

August looks full of Cold fusion events.
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Re: LENR, LANR, COLD FUSION, E-CAT, FREE ENERGY STARTS 2012

So on Dec 31 2012,
can we close this thread?


Very constructive of you. Any other Stalinist ideas?

What else? Forcing admins to ban me just because I am talking about an emerging technology on WCG forums? You must feel very threatened and insecure but banning LENR will not solve your problem.


My apologies, I meant when dec 31 comes and no LENR can we close
this thread. If it's at home depot, i'll go stand in line too!
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Didn't I just show you in my last posts that already lots of LENR is happening? So no need to wait for end of 2012 for LENR, as is already happening with bigger and bigger players.

Now if you really meant about E-Cat for 2012, then answer is no, this thread will not close just because one (or even two) of the Cold Fusion companies are delaying their product to the market.

This thread is not about E-Cat only, but about Cold Fusion and LENR (whichever is more correct). This thread is about disruptive alternative energy to oil (solar, wind is not disruptive). So If I will have info on Thorium then this thread will be also about that, but right now thorium is on standby from more than 50 years, so no developments there.

But just to throw some more info about E-CAT, specifically here is a question and an answer from Rossi blog:

"Bernie Koppenhofer
July 5th, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Mr. Rossi: There has been a lot of speculation on this site and other LENR sites about whether the statistics about your new 600c reactor will be validated/Confirmed by your customer or third party. Will it be?
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Andrea Rossi
July 5th, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
Yes, the validation of the high temperature reactors is made by third parties.
Warm Regards,
A.R."

So, first UL is certificating the E-CAT for Rossi since January 2012 and at the same time, he is validating the device with Third Party scientists/company. At least that is what Rossi says about his device, right now.
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