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damir1978
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Andzgrid, your Jedi mind tricks have no power in this thread. Logic and reason are dead and meaningless. You have a point there... logic and reason will never be enough to transfer ones beliefs unto another person, no matter how good you are at communicating ideas. There is also the "vision" and that you need to discover it for yourself. That is why I did not want to discuss too much with anybody on how real is Cold Fusion at this point in time. It is pointless. All that I am doing on this thread is to post the most important updates from the various actors and institutions that are working in this field. The signs are very promising for proof of concept commercial device for 2012. The signs can be misleading or they can show real facts. I am posting signs, not real facts. For real facts we need to ask Obama, Bildenberg Group, Rossi, Godes, Zawodny. etc. And they always reserve the right to LIE to us or to tell the truth. Most of them want money, and that is a very good reason to lie. Unfortunately there is no Nikola Tesla in this field. Nikola Tesla would really try to show the world how to get cheap energy (for free). Rossi and Co. is trying to show to us how to get cheap energy, but not for free. We look at the signs and we get hopes. That is all, until something huge will happen. Many say it will happen 2012. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by damir1978 at Jun 2, 2012 9:59:34 PM] |
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astrolabe.
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You cannot stop LENR now... it is in full swing with too many institutions Please quote me where I have said that it can't work; you won't be able to. Never said that. I did say it doesn't work. ![]() And the public loves it too much... The public can't love it because it doesn't work. Nobody is pouring funds into this purported alchemy. There is no public demand because it doesn't work![]() It brings Free Energy Even if they get it to work, you think it is going to be free? You are going to get the raw materials at no cost? You are going to hook it up to your house at no cost? The electrical grid will accept a connection at no cost?. Please explain how any single aspect of the energy industry has or will ever operate at no cost. ![]() for Christ's Sake. Sorry. I do not understand. I haven't noticed anybody by that name as being quoted on any results of the research. Is this the secret benefactor that is providing Rossi with the funds to do the research? With such an unusual name, you would have thought that someone would have leaked out the name of the person behind the theory. By doing so, it would remove the confusion suggesting that a person who has been dead for 2000 years is the person doing the current research and is so busy proving this theory that there is no time left over to save the world. |
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astrolabe.
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Why not play the offensive-team and prove to us that coldFusion cannot possibly work I do not think that I am so important to WCG that I need to do this. I have a life outside WCG, and besides, the negligible number of people who are interested in this magic show are not reading the WCG forums to find the latest and greatest notes on research into Nuclear Physics. I'll publish any findings I have under a reputable scientific journal supported by a world-class University. As well, nobody here cares about this theory, except the OP. Nobody. |
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Sgt.Joe
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Why not play the offensive-team and prove to us that coldFusion cannot possibly work, now and in the future? You can not "prove" a negative. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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astrolabe.
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For real facts we need to ask ...........Rossi, Godes, Zawodny. etc. And they always reserve the right to LIE to us.... Most of them want money, and that is a very good reason to lie True, even the researchers may be lying to us trying to extract money from usRossi and Co. is trying to show to us how to get cheap energy, but not for free. Which is it: free or not free. You can't seem to make up your mind. One post it is free energy. Now it is not. What is cheap? Is it going to be cheap to a US factory worker making $60/hour? Is it going to be cheap in the third world for someone making $2 per day? What is cheap? Free is free and we all know what that is. Cheap is a word that lacks precision and can be easily misunderstood. I guess you better let us know the exact costs so we can evaluate whether it really is going to be cheap. Don't forget to factor in all the various research costs as well as the trademark and patent costs that will be incurred to protect the possible invention; plus manufacturing costs of 1M units and the shipping costs, delivery, setup, training, installation and the operating costs and the cost of raw materials which have production costs, shipping, trade tariffs, storage, markup and profit. Just lay it all out for us so that we can use a precise number instead of such a nebulous word as cheap. or you may need to admit that you are just blowing smoke up our nose. ![]() |
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You can not "prove" a negative. In a sense, yes, but one can certainly think negative. If we want coldFusion to fail, by the notion of a self-fulfilling prophecy , then coldFusion will fail -- to say nothing if there may or may not have been any direct scientific basis for the failure, or for that matter, success. Renewing the call to science to come to the rescue, thus: until coldFusion naysayers scientifically prove that coldFusion is a scientific impossibility, much like articles pointing out the impossibility of time-travel or faster-than-light, it stands to reason that there is room left for coldFusion to keep the hope alive.; ; edit1_2012.06.04Mo.1505.utc > 'flow-of-reasoning' improvements: ; inserted text colored in blue. ; [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 4, 2012 3:05:21 PM] |
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damir1978
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I could answer you heavily. But I will not loose my time.
----------------------------------------You seem devoid of logic and vision (specially scientific vision). I can answer you shortly only with a little (fake)story: Two people are lost in an ice storm in Antarctica. One seems to see a light, far away. Then the light appeared many times during the night and more intense at times. He said to his partner: - I will go to investigate this, maybe is shelter. Come with me, we have better chance together. The other first said that he does not see the light, and later he said he sees something resembling a light but he is not sure what is that. Then when the light appeared to look more and more like the light from some window, from a shelter of some kind, he says that he is not interested to investigate it unless he is SURE it is a shelter with all the comfort inside. The first man understands the mindset of his partner and goes by itself towards the light. The other remains in the storm waiting for his slowly death. Same with Cold fusion. There are signs. For some unknown reason (I don't really care why, anyway) you do not want them to be true, even if they look more and more promising everyday now. I will not like you to be a scientist for one minute, because your lack of vision is harmful to others. You seem blind and that is enough said about your sad estate. When you brush off people working at NASA, MIT, CERN, SPAWAR, SRI and many universities... I consider that you do not deserve any energy to convince you of anything. If they can't, I will not even try. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by damir1978 at Jun 3, 2012 10:12:10 PM] |
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Andzgrid, your Jedi mind tricks have no power in this thread. Logic and reason are dead and meaningless. I know. We are dealing with an inanimate object devoid of any intelligence, none of the likes that we can detect anyway... ![]() ; |
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astrolabe.
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How about if you answer the questions, rather making even more personal attacks.
Which is it: free or not free. You can't seem to make up your mind. One post it is free energy. Now it is not. What is cheap? Is it going to be cheap to a US factory worker making $60/hour? Is it going to be cheap in the third world for someone making $2 per day? What is cheap? Free is free and we all know what that is. Cheap is a word that lacks precision and can be easily misunderstood. I guess you better let us know the exact costs so we can evaluate whether it really is going to be cheap. |
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damir1978
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It is free in the sense that it will free you from the Central Grid and the cost for the fuel is next to nothing. Being that the fuel will pay itself shortly, due to high amount of energy generated, it becomes truly free.
----------------------------------------It is not free because Rossi and other scientists want to get some money in the beginning. After a while, everybody will be able to replicate this in their garage with some help from handyman friends and there will be no pay for the inventors of Cold Fusion. Free in the future, cheap now, not for free right now. Clear? |
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