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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Today, while sailing through different and new Internet URLs, I somehow landed on the BOINC page (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ ) and saw an interesting link: "100 Top Volunteers" (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/chart_list.php ). According to the description, this is a list of "Top 100 multi-project BOINC participants" and "users participate in two or more projects with a resource share of 5% or more". My surprise was that NONE of them were crunching for WCG !!! (not that they have to... I just found it interesting). Am I misunderstanding this list (that it refers to something else, like WCG is in a different category) or WCG is really not being crunched by these mega-crunchers (VERY impressive computing power... starting with 70,000 GFLOPS !!!).
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rilian
Veteran Cruncher Ukraine - we rule! Joined: Jun 17, 2007 Post Count: 1453 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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i went to boincstats combined users list
----------------------------------------http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/list/0/0/0 clicked first user's project http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/1/projectList and see WCG in the list. hooray :) |
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pirogue
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 8, 2008 Post Count: 685 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Why isn't WCG being crunched by the top BOINC participants ?. My guesses: #1 through #1000 they're doing it for points #1001 they're running GPU projects |
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Former Member
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The #1001 was the first thought, without looking.
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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rilian... thanks for the info... OK it would appear that WCG is being crunching by some of these mega-participants, but in a much lesser amount (for example, .05%). I wonder why WCG is not one of the most crunched projects (it's not even showing up on the radar for the top 100 BOINC participants). Why would PrimeGrid, Moo! Wrapper, etc be so popular (not bashing their popularity... just curious)?
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Former Member
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Based off RAC I'm #198, and I crunch here. And yes the reason is gpus. Currency my RAC at gpugrid is approaching 1M. That would mean, if I'm not mistaken, 7M points here. CPUs cannot compete with the crunching power of GPUs.
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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ah... oh... points and GPU... ok... that's makes sense, didn't think of that. The GPU part I can understand, but if doing it for points (which are worthless), then that I don't understand. I would think that solving health issues that affect the world would be more important than finding big prime numbers and little green men (just my way of thinking).
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"CPUs cannot compete with the crunching power of GPUs." and GPU's are no match to what CPU's can, and why many sciences continue to exclusively run on CPU's. GPU's are the RISC processors of CPUs, limited trick set. This is why you'll never ever see even 1 Decathlon champion holding a world record on any of the individual disciplines [an attempt at real live analogy]
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Ingleside
Veteran Cruncher Norway Joined: Nov 19, 2005 Post Count: 974 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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rilian... thanks for the info... OK it would appear that WCG is being crunching by some of these mega-participants, but in a much lesser amount (for example, .05%). I wonder why WCG is not one of the most crunched projects (it's not even showing up on the radar for the top 100 BOINC participants). Why would PrimeGrid, Moo! Wrapper, etc be so popular (not bashing their popularity... just curious)? Well, take an unoptimized cpu-application, make a highly optimized GPU-application being let's say 100x faster, and award 1000x as many credits as the CPU-application to entice users only interested in credit to join the project, and you've got the reason for the top-BOINC-users not running WCG... Ok, not sure if any project really adds an additional 10x on top of the actual speed-advantage, but seeing some of the projects never had any CPU-application it's still possible they're doing it. While DiRT, Collatz, Primegrid, Milkyway, Moo-wrapper, Poem and so on is popular for users, and teams, with the only goal to be as high as possible, and for teams to be #1, these projects isn't really very popular. DiRT is one of the highest-producing projects, they've only got 2196 active users. Collatz has 4764 active users, Donate has 190, Moo has 1007, Primegrid 6130, Poem 5757 and GPUgrid 1990 active users. Compared to the "big" projects, there's CPDN at 18k, Rosetta@home at 31k, Einstein@home at 35k, Folding@home at 50k (non-BOINC), WCG at 80k and SETI@home at 140k. While all these projects except CPDN and Rosetta@home also has GPU-applications, a large part of the other projects contribution is from CPU-only users. Of the nearly-exclusively GPU-projects, only Milkyway is really popular, with 24k active users, despite Milkyway demands double-precision something many cards doesn't have or is very bad at (nvidia). BTW, while GPU normally is a big advantage over CPU, for the non-BOINC project Folding@Home this is actually not the case, since due to a severely screwed-up points-system it's often a dis-advantage to use the GPU on an i7, and if you've got a 16-way (or larger) system, you'll need many i7 just to match the production of a single system.  "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." [Edit 1 times, last edit by Ingleside at Sep 9, 2012 4:19:45 PM] |
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Former Member
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This is very true. They are definitely more limited it the operation sets they can perform.
But cjslman, not all gpu projects are looking for little green men or prime numbers, although prime grid is most likely where many of the top partcipants gather their points. Gpugrid is medical based. Once HCC gpu comes online I can tell you that there will be a lot of point position changes in WCG due to the vast point obtaining ability that project will offer. According to my sig, I am at 237PPH. One single gpu will be able to FAR surpass that given the current points given for completing those WUs. It will be an interesting thing to behold, and I am looking forward to it. Cheers |
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