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Seoulpowergrid
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Apr 12, 2013 Post Count: 818 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What I am getting at is that although people will join WCG, they forget about it and when it fails, they don't notice it and fix it. We are a bunch of people who monitor WCG constantly, but I think we are in a small minority. I hear you and that makes sense. But what some of the members mentioned earlier is why some of the top contributing people have dropped off the grid (unintentional pun). But you bring up a valid point. If a study/research will be done on why people leave it should be on both the casual person who installs it on their machine and presumably then forgets about it, and also those with a small army of machines at their disposal who leave. ![]() |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Doneske: Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the low project count. The staff's view on this is that it doesn't matter as long as there is enough work to go around. Clearly, they are once again WRONG!!! I hate seeing this over and over again (not Twilyth in particular). Correct me if I am wrong, but the WCG staff don't generate the projects, the projects need to be proposed by the scientists which means they need to go to WCG. Rather than bite the hand that feeds you, maybe we can find ways to bring more scientists to WCG? Well, I guess it depends on how well known WCG is in the scientific community. My guess is that it's not very well known at all, in which case the staff at WCG and/or IBM needs to make some effort to reach out to the folks and let them know what is available, no? Believe me, there is no shortage of need for the vast sort of computing power that we have to offer. There's also no shortage of "big data" projects out there, I'm sure. So if we know the need exists but we still only have 3 projects, then who's fault can that possibly be? Are we really going to blame the researchers for their ignorance or are we going to blame WCG for not making more of an effort to publicize what this community has to offer? Personally I don't think that's a tough question to answer. ![]() ![]() |
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jonnieb-uk
Ace Cruncher England Joined: Nov 30, 2011 Post Count: 6105 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In response to a query 18 months ago about users who sign up and never crunch (the DOAs) Tedi WCG Admin replied:
----------------------------------------We automatically send new members an email if they never attach a computer after registering and again if, after they attach a computer, they do not return a result within 21 days. It shouldn't be too hard for WCG to extend this to reach out to those who've stopped crunching. vcd683s made the point that WCG/BOINC software is that it is an install and forget piece of software and What I am getting at is that although people will join WCG, they forget about it and when it fails, they don't notice it and fix it. I'm certain that this is true. However experience has shown (in both my own and other teams) that a global?? WCG email will often cause a few InActives to restart crunching again. So a nudge can work. There's no doubt that WCG communication to the community at large has improved markedly over the past year but it isn't perfect. We don't know if a "global" email e.g. announcing a new project is sent to the entire membership or if there is a restricting parameter. If, as has been suggested, people join WCG and forget, then it's an absolute certainty that they forget that they may have also joined a team. I'm constantly going on about teams being a resource to suipport and grow the community and so I've repeatedly suggested that a link to My Team be included in the standard WCG email similar to the existing link to My Contribution but with no success. Yes teams are limited in what they can do because of the antiquated forum software and the default option to not make an email address available to the team captain (another thing that needs changing) but we have to start somewhere! Finally - twilyth makes the point: it depends on how well known WCG is in the scientific community. My guess is that it's not very well known at all, I'd shorten that to "WCG is not very well known". IMO WCG needs to MARKET itself ![]() [Departs to wash mouth out with soap and water] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Just a brief search produces this post by a one time posting member
https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewpostinthread?post=320273 "First, I want to thank you for contacting me about work units. When I reimaged my system, I forgot to add World Community Grid to my projects. It has been added." Conclusion, there is a reminder mail for those stopping contribution. |
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Eric_Kaiser
Veteran Cruncher Germany (Hessen) Joined: May 7, 2013 Post Count: 1047 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It shouldn't be too hard for WCG to extend this to reach out to those who've stopped crunching. This happens in the email digest. Two weeks ago I found the following message in the digest: We have not received a result from you in over 30 days. We need your help again! We don't know if a "global" email e.g. announcing a new project is sent to the entire membership or if there is a restricting parameter. It might depend on the communication preferences everyone can define. I've set all check boxes to active so I'm receiving all informations in the email digest. ![]() |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It's nice that an automated email is sent to people who haven't returned any results for some period of time and I give WCG credit for setting that up.
----------------------------------------But how does that help with people who have willfully left? People who have just decided for one reason or another that they've had enough of WCG? It doesn't. Now granted, maybe in a lot of cases there's nothing that WCG can do about this. But do we want to assume our conclusions like some medieval bishop or do we want to actually know what is going on and why? I would like to assume it is the latter. And the fact of the matter is that we have plenty of volunteers here who would be willing to help. We just need to have the effort coordinated by WCG. All we need from them is someone to send an email to people who have been inactive for some period of time with a link to a questionnaire. We can get people from the community here to volunteer to compose a brief questionnaire and someone from WCG would just have to approve it. I promise not to volunteer if that would sweeten the deal for the staff. Ideally we would also want to run this by the forum for comments as well. Then, either than same group or a different group of volunteers would be responsible for collating the answers and coming up with a report. This would relieve the burden on the WCG staff but still give us some insight into what if any problems exist on WCG's end that could be remediated. There shouldn't be any problems with volunteers handling these duties as we could disclose in the email how the questionnaire would be handled and since it would be anonymous, it should still allow everyone to participate. ![]() ![]() |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
But how does that help with people who have willfully left? People who have just decided for one reason or another that they've had enough of WCG? It doesn't. I think this is already done, but make sure that all WCG crunchers (past & present) are notified when a new project starts (at least I receive notifications when there is a new project). That way, if they left due to the "same old thing" like Doneske stated above, maybe this will bring some of them back home.CJSL Crunching for a better world... |
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twilyth
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You lost me. What is already done? If you are talking about emails being sent out after a period of inactivity, I already acknowledged that. That wasn't the point. If you're talking about something else like notifying people of new projects. That's fine, but that only covers one of an infinite number of possibilities - right?
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What I was trying to say is that when a new project comes on-board, send a note to all the crunchers, active and inactive, letting them know about the new project. Hopefully this will bring back some of the "lost" crunchers (like the case that Doneske described above). I'm not sure, but I think this is already being done.
----------------------------------------Now that I think of it, something that I think could help keep current crunchers interest in the projects is a continued feedback from the projects scientists... how are the things going? any results to share? Good news? Bad news? This seems to be a constant complaint from the crunching community in general... and I don't see any involvement (push back) from the WCG towards the scientists to provide timely feedback (hint, hint, hint). CJSL Gotta keep crunching, there's a world to save !!! |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
When I left back in April, my intention was to stay gone until a new project came along to make it interesting again.
To enhance on the point cjslman made about the reporting from the project scientists, I've been contributing to WCG for 10 years and if I stop and look back, I can't put my finger on one thing that I can attribute to helping mankind in any observable way. The closest thing would be the identified compounds from the Childhood Cancer Project or maybe the identified compounds that Dr. Perryman spoke about in his last update. Other than that, nothing. Without a doubt, knowledge has been expanded in some fashion in the fields that we crunched but we don't see those things. As far as we know, the results go into a black hole. Some papers get written, but what's the benefit to mankind. We are doing this on faith that the knowledge gained from our results will lead to something. More communication from the scientists makes everyone feel like we are part of the research team. Scientist and crunchers all working toward the same goal. Clean Energy was going a pretty good job but they have fallen off over the past six months. Sorry, started rambling.... |
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