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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
It's not quite like that sirius11 AND though Help still prints 3, the distribution with exception of special projects AC@H and HPF2 have a quorum of 2. Help explains that at all time public computing requires "Validation".... it used to be 4 and was scaled after a while to 3 and since about 4-5 months 2.
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Former Member
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and yes, because of those unstable machines, the rule is that the same task have to be crunched by 3 different machines to be validated... what a waist of time and effort just to please those overclockers who buy some cheap stuff and want to get the same power as the more expensive stuff... maybe if everyone had some normal and clean machine ( no viruses and not OC) we would need only 2 machines to validate one task. this make me think about those peoples who go 120 miles an hour with a small hyundai just because they have changed the muffler, they now think they own a mercedez.. do your OC for your own games or tasks but not for something that involve so many peoples. Just my 2 cents. You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Former Member
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and yes, because of those unstable machines, the rule is that the same task have to be crunched by 3 different machines to be validated... what a waist of time and effort just to please those overclockers who buy some cheap stuff and want to get the same power as the more expensive stuff... What rot - as Sek has pointed out, most projects here already use a quorum of 2 and has nothing to do with overclocked machines.maybe if everyone had some normal and clean machine ( no viruses and not OC) we would need only 2 machines to validate one task. Machine instablility does not equate to being overclocked, 'normal' machines can be unstable without viruses and being overclocked - and I can assure you my overclocked machines ain't cheap! this make me think about those peoples who go 120 miles an hour with a small hyundai just because they have changed the muffler, they now think they own a mercedez.. Mine and many others here ARE Mercedes, and they are still overclocked  do your OC for your own games or tasks but not for something that involve so many peoples. The whole ethos of volunteer computing is for users to donate the spare cycles of their machines - and by its very nature that will mean overclocked computers. Just my 2 cents. Sadly, not even worth that I'm afraid. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 16, 2007 7:07:17 PM] |
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Former Member
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Sorry to jump in here, but the discussion is heading off the rails.
There is no need to be defensive, here. I'm confident that the vast majority of overclockers here know what they are doing, and don't mind taking the time to keep an eye on things to avoid an emerging instability becoming a problem. Please play nice, people. |
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Former Member
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Nothing to do with being defensive Didactylos - merely refuting some wildly inaccurate statements.
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Former Member
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Not directed at you, Adywebb.
Still, I'm going to strongly discourage people new to overclocking from doing so with BOINC. This isn't a general tech help forum, and it isn't an OC forum either. Plenty of other places people can go for help with such things. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Not directed at you, Adywebb. Apologies - I withdraw my second comment  Still, I'm going to strongly discourage people new to overclocking from doing so with BOINC. This isn't a general tech help forum, and it isn't an OC forum either. Plenty of other places people can go for help with such things. True it isn't an OC forum etc, but the initial thread poster was already an overclocker and all he was asking was whether overclocking had a benefit because in the Boinc messages tab it still showed the CPU as being at 2.4GHz and due to differing WU size he couldn't tell if Boinc was taking his OC to 3.2GHz into account. So surely the correct answer is something like: Boinc only shows the standard spec of the processor, not the actual speed it is running at. Overclocking does have a benefit as work is completed faster, but please be aware of the possible consequences. - rather than your initial short reply? |
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David_L6
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 24, 2006 Post Count: 296 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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what a waist of time and effort just to please those overclockers who buy some cheap stuff and want to get the same power as the more expensive stuff... One of my crunchers has a QX6700 CPU, D975XBX2 motherboard, and 3GB of Crucial Ballistix PC2-8000 memory. Not exactly "cheap stuff". It's also overclocked, stable, and producing 3.4GHz more work than if it were at stock speed. What's wrong with building 2 crunchers using Q6600's overclocked to the stock speed of the QX6700 for less money than 1 cruncher with a QX6700 costs? Now you have 8 cores returning work instead of 4. Bumping up the speed of a Q6600 from 2.4GHz to 2.66GHz is child's play. Clocking a Q6600 to 3.0GHz can be done be a beginner. Now you have 2 Q6600's running at 3.0GHz - 24GHz total - vs 1 QX6700 running at 2.66GHz - 10.64GHz total. i.e. An additional 13.36GHz for less money.......  |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
Think of overclocking as you would on modifying a car to go faster.
----------------------------------------You can't just drop in a bigger carb without modifying the rest of the motor to use that added fuel. Same with PC's. The factory's sell parts that generally have much more performance in them than as sold. The key is in modifying all the systems to a higher level and thats where the new guy to overclocking generally makes his mistakes. You can't add more volts to a cpu without increasing the cooling to deal with the added heat those increased volts will bring. This added cooling isn't just with the HS/Fan but with all the areas that are effected. The Northbridge,Southbridge and the Mofsets along with the cpu HS/Fan. Memory itself may need dedicated cooling as we've seen with the FBDimms on the Clovers. It is a must. I have a Q6600 machine that runs at 100% load 24/7 on WCG at 3600mhz. Factory speed is 2440mhz. I have high end cooling on the CPU and also fans added to the mofsets, NB and SB and one fan directed at the memory itself. When you look at the PC as a group of systems working together instead of just as a "total" then you can increase speeds safely as now all of the systems are working at a higher level. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2885/img0878largexx7.jpg  |
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Former Member
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I have been directed to overclock, or be banned. Ya gotta love it!
w00t! and wh00sh!..... |
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