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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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 Only one ?! Health Care reform.. government mandate.. Dr. Mike.. Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA! I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything. It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all. It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right. Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying). This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years).  OK .. end of rant Edit>spelling For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good! My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care. This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others. We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight. The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings. Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality. Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare. I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said: "Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it a) annoys the pig b) accomplishes nothing and c) wastes your time." and I would add, raises your blood pressure. |
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Only one ?! Health Care reform.. government mandate.. Dr. Mike.. Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA! I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything. It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all. It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right. Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying). This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). OK .. end of rant Edit>spelling For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good! My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care. This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others. We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight. The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings. Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality. Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare. I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said: "Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it a) annoys the pig b) accomplishes nothing and c) wastes your time." and I would add, raises your blood pressure. I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it. PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith... |
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Only one ?! Health Care reform.. government mandate.. Dr. Mike.. Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA! I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything. It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all. It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right. Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying). This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). OK .. end of rant Edit>spelling For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good! My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care. This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others. We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight. The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings. Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality. Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare. I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said: "Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it a) annoys the pig b) accomplishes nothing and c) wastes your time." and I would add, raises your blood pressure. I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it. PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith... It's also important to note that America's top medical professionals at both Harvard and Yale medical schools widely endorse Obama's plan. Most of the Docs I know out here say that when they meet a patient, they don't want to ever even THINK about how much anything costs. They just want to treat the patient and make them well. That's the kind of doctor I want to have. That's the kind of medical system I want to have. |
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brown chris
Master Cruncher California - USA Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 2420 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Only one ?! Health Care reform.. government mandate.. Dr. Mike.. Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA! I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything. It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all. It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right. Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying). This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). OK .. end of rant Edit>spelling For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good! My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care. This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others. We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight. The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings. Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality. Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare. I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said: "Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it a) annoys the pig b) accomplishes nothing and c) wastes your time." and I would add, raises your blood pressure. I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it. PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith... It's also important to note that America's top medical professionals at both Harvard and Yale medical schools widely endorse Obama's plan. Most of the Docs I know out here say that when they meet a patient, they don't want to ever even THINK about how much anything costs. They just want to treat the patient and make them well. That's the kind of doctor I want to have. That's the kind of medical system I want to have. I'm feel very confident that this will not pass. Those protests are not staged, they are the reflection of very frustrated Americans. I am personally sick and tired of this administration passing bills that most of America does not want. And for Obama to stand in front of the American people and say that he just signed a stimulus plan that has no pork on it was an outright lie. There were 9,000 pieces of pork attached to it. That tells me that a) he can read what he is signing, b) he doesn't read what he is signing, c) he thinks that we are just a bunch of idiots, or d) he is lying! GM should have been allowed to fail. The tax payers gave them $80 billion and they filed bankruptcy anyway. Now we own 60% of GM. How is this good? Health care didn't cause GM to fail, either, it was the outrageous union contracts that did it. Obama has admitted on at least three different public occasions that he favors single payer healthcare (socialized medicine). It's not working in Canada with a population of 30 million people, what makes Obama think it can work in America with 300 million people? The only reason that Canada's system has lasted so long is America is right next door with the best medical care in the world. They would rather pay out of their pocket for the health care they need rather than depend on their country's health care system. Canada pays a great deal of money for their lousy health care system, too. A family that I know there has a household income less than what I make alone, and the percentage of their taxes that they pay for their healthcare is greater that what I and my employer pay for my healthcare. They pay more for a lot less. That 47 million people without healthcare in our country is a lie as well. 30 million of that figure are people that a) don't want healthcare as they feel young and invincible, b) illegal aliens that shouldn't get it anyway, and c) people switching jobs and didn't have insurance at the time. That leaves 17 million people that do need insurance. Those are the people that make too much money for Medicare, but either insurance is too expensive from their employer or their employer doesn't offer it at all. I have to ask, what is the disaster that Obama wants to destroy our healthcare and medical system for 17 million people out of over 300 million? It would be a great deal less expensive to extend Medicare to those 17 million. The bottom line is that this is about bigger government, and government control and people are seeing that this administration has gone too far already and it has to stop before our healthcare system is destroyed. Cap-and-Trade all by itself will ruin this country (I don't think that will never pass, either). I am personally involved in making sure that this will ever pass and it's working. And I've already turned myself into the snitch web site (flag.whitehouse.gov).
BIG BANG THEORY: In the beginning there was nothing... which exploded
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 08/13 - All Members:
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Points milestones report ======================== No points milestones found.  Runtime milestones report ========================= No runtime milestones found. Results returned milestones report ================================== jamesjr934 returned their 200th result  New members report ================== No new members found. Retired members report ====================== No new retired members found. For the week as a team: Statistics Total Run Time Points Results Team Records: Results Returned: 12/19/2007 2,522 Points: 05/06/2009 518,871 Runtime: 01/25/2006 1:123:00:53:34 Good crunching folks!!!! |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 08/13 - Active Members
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Note: Active members are those who earned points in the prior 30 days. Top Twenty active members returning points today: 01: RT - 63,179 points 02: marysduby - 63,129 points 03: Dave Bell - 22,006 points 04: parmesian - 20,703 points 05: NiceMedTexMD - 19,190 points 06: brown chris - 15,033 points 07: Blueprint - 13,313 points 08: keithhenry - 11,973 points 09: Dresser - 7,941 points 10: sulcata - 7,851 points 11: Jonathan Figdor - 6,866 points 12: Esteban69 - 6,573 points 13: Vuj - 5,486 points 14: harry_i_c - 4,718 points 15: stares - 4,483 points 16: darth_vader - 3,180 points 17: johng - 2,928 points 18: jamesjr934 - 2,236 points 19: Fanie - 2,029 points 20: gr8buddha - 1,961 points Total points returned today: 300,342 Active members returning points today: 38 Average points per member active today: 7,903.73684 |
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NiceMedTexMD
Veteran Cruncher United States Joined: Aug 17, 2006 Post Count: 929 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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ack.. I wonder why the few thousand point drop..
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Only one ?! Health Care reform.. government mandate.. Dr. Mike.. Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA! BS---don't drink the sewer water coming out of Washington |
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brown chris
Master Cruncher California - USA Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 2420 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Only one ?! Health Care reform.. government mandate.. Dr. Mike.. Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA! BS---don't drink the sewer water coming out of Washington Touché!
BIG BANG THEORY: In the beginning there was nothing... which exploded
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Dataman
Ace Cruncher Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 4865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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How is Dave doing?
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