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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

dave. The eye first came ashore at devil hill's, NC. and went up the coast till hitting nyc when it changed to a tropical storm
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Just a storm shrugged off in Scotland, 2-3 times a year:



Fundamentals are still why with a near 60 years declining sun:

1) - The temperatures have kept rising in the 21st century, that the last 0.8C rise did not occur for the most part prior to 1940
2) - That there's 4% more vapor to go around which needs energy for that to occur and warmer air to be possible
3) - That acute rains with more per square meter precipitation of have increased more in places, than it has declined in others.
4) - That more snow in winter, still turns to less snow left in spring and summer... million of square kilometers, not just tarmac sizes.
5) - That glaziers around the world are on rapid decline.
6) - That polar glaziers are moving faster and are thinning at the ends.
7) - That Sea ice in winter and summer is declining and thinning, where first year ice in 2009 was 1.7 meters, 1.60 meters in 2010, and 1.40 meters thick in 2011.
8)- That CO2 and several other AGGI included GHG's respond to long wave radiation.
9) - That the oceans are acidifying due forced increased net uptake of man atmosphere injected CO2.
10) - That Ocean heat content is increasing (per unit holding 1000x more energy than air).
11) - That there is zillions of tonnes of aerosols in the air, as product from man's activities, working to dimm the planet, such as Atmospheric Brown Clouds (ABC).
12) - That the ozone layer has incurred significant damage and per ODGI (NOAA too providing those 2600 temperature readings every hour and those windspeeds that been referenced in this thread). It is not getting much better, in past working to capture a piece of the solar energy, at UV frequencies that are not healthy if hitting on living tissue.
13) - That the sun is in a medium lul stage, and GCR's do not seem to cause more cloud forming to mention... and if they do, they cannot then but net to positive feedback, the clouds, which then puts us back to point 1) above.

Missed any items of significance (land use, de/reforestation, no global data seen for after 2005, permafrost thawing holding back CH4 in enormous quantities, already measured to be on the increase again in the atmosphere, 23 times more powerful GHG than CO2)

Energy in, energy out... measurements show that more comes in than goes out, the equilibrium lost until a new one is reached, quasi. Takes 20-30 years at present CO2 levels, but then, eventually the oceans do start to net loose... more out-gassing. If that goes run-away, action, reaction... the fish mongerers will do less business. Do governments, based on best available science, plan for the most optimistic outcome or for the most likely scenario?

Food for thought, for those at the Atlantic City Casino's too , having had a real close shave by reality.

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Unlucky txyankee

This station stopped reporting back in July

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KFFA.html

This one is close though

http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;a=USA/NC/Manteo

Peaked at 57.4mph

Backed up in the measurement taken at 2035UTC by http://91.192.194.209/manteo.cfm wink

50 knots

Middle strong gale


Still no Hurricane on shore
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Just a storm shrugged off in Scotland, 2-3 times a year:


Scotland would have more storms, but it is so small that the storms have a hard time finding it.

Hurricane with high windspeed or not, tropical storms bring a lot of rain. Vermont, east of New York is essentially closed with heavy flash flooding.

http://news.yahoo.com/york-dodges-irene-18-killed-east-coast-010851568.html
There was so much rain that millions were without power. It wasn't as much of a problem with wind this time. With soggy ground, trees fell over and did a lot of damage.

5) - That glaziers around the world are on rapid decline.

even more rapid now

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090302-glaciers-melting.html

It's an oft-repeated statistic that the glaciers at Montana's Glacier National Park will disappear by the year 2030.

But Daniel Fagre, a U.S. Geological Survey ecologist who works at Glacier, says the park's namesakes will be gone about ten years ahead of schedule, endangering the region's plants and animals.

The 2030 date, he said, was based on a 2003 USGS study, along with 1992 temperature predictions by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

"Temperature rise in our area was twice as great as what we put into the [1992] model," Fagre said. "What we've been saying now is 2020."

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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

retsof your problem is geography not global warming

Texas spans 25 degrees 50 mins north to 36 degrees 30 mins north

Mid Texas 31 degrees 10 mins North

Have a look where the Sahara lies. Have look where Afghanistan lies. Flip over your Globe and follow the same number of degrees South and check out where the Atacama lies

There's your problem

Here's the reason why

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadley_cell
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Holy smokes, Hadley cells... they seem to be on the move... try Rossby waves to broaden the view and Jetstreams, and AO and AD and DA.

Hey, no warming in the 21st Century? Here's the decadal by the now trusted NOAA/NCDC (or only from 1.1.2011?):



Something is not right there... it's mostly gone up after 1940 and some of the coal-plants sulfur cleaning started.

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P.S., gosh, that Hadley changing is from a NOAA paper... miraculous warming oceans: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/quan.xiaowei/PDF/HCpaper.pdf. Yup they must be part of the conspiracy.
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Oh, btw Krakatau blew up in 1883, near the equator, where volcanoes have most global impact; another member also made mention of an endless winter then.

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Just in case you had forgotten

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/...an-chernobyl-2345542.html

The oh so safe and environmentally friendly
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Well, your non-selective memory will also remember, David authumns, the direct and statistically attributable deaths from coal mining and burning, annually. Chernobyl has a [sounds horrible] statistical attributable deaths from blowing of 10,000 through the long term future, that's 400 per annum if one counts only the 25 years since 1986. Ten thousand is 1/3rd of US annual traffic fatalities over the total time.

But, hey, 6 additional Russian ice breakers planned for the Arctic, 3 nuke powered... there must be serious money to be made from keeping ships and super tankers passing through the Arctic and not unthinkable for the not too far off future, near straight line journey from main ports on the East USA coast to the Far East and of course the fully opened coastal areas 360 degrees of the Arctic basin for multiple months of the year.

Minor details

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P.S. The main goal of letting things in the Arctic go to pots, the canary of the planet's climate, is though getting at those hydrocarbon deposits. They could carry us easily to 1000 ppmv in the atmosphere. Try look up when the last time was this was the state of the atmosphere... little longer ago then man has walked the earth. Little warmer?
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Latest US Traffic fatalities stats ... 33 thousand per annum: http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1043314_...alities-hit-historic-lows ... train is much saver and these can run through the wire on nuke plant power too. Pebble Bed would be save even with the worst earthquakes... not in NIMBY, the Chinese are ogling hard to meet the power demands of the future: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.09/china.html

Do you feel to be in a winning mood? No one is, we're all 7 billion loosing, irredeemably. Atacama, Chile is a problem? The deserts are growing... pre-desertification trends are already being observed in Southern Italy, Hadley cell or no Hadley cell. Next time in Bagnoli, travel on to visit Sicily. If you wait a decade you can even cross over the megalomanic bridge our Silvio pushed through parliament... at the today cost of 6.1 billion Euro... by the time it's finished, if it ever will, 10 billion+. A good chunk of the budget deficit.

Pity, we had ourselves kneejerked into stopping NP development after Chernobyl. Things would have been a whole lot cleaner today, and been doing as the French do today... just laugh at the CO2 targets... sadly though, the rest of the world makes sure their air will also see the same CO2 increases.

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