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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Typically, August is when the heat of summer is the worst here in the US. Given how July has been, I'm a tad scared to think about August.
---------------------------------------- However, we should still have a good month for July. With three days left, I expect us to break 29 million for the month and be closing on 179 million for the year. Last year was 189.5 million so we should pass that somewhere around the 10th-15th of August. Our non-US output has improved though I don't have specific numbers. That has helped add stability to our numbers. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I am sorry to hear such bad news about Norton. I will not remove it until the time period for which I purchased it has expired. I did do a search on antivirus with Google and found the following information on two packages. I did not want tp spend too much time looking for anti virus software and I remember Intel bought an anti virus company -- was this to include the anti virus functions in its processors? Norton Internet Security - In a detailed comparative test at AV-Comparatives.org, Norton Internet Security 2011 earns the highest Advanced+ certification ... Avast AntiVirus 5 - Avast Free AntiVirus 5 is evaluated in many of AV-Comparatives' latest antivirus tests. Although the summary report and ... In that same Google search I ran across other antivirus reviews. One that I want to spend some time looking at has a URL of http://www.antivirusreviews.com/ and it claims to be unbiased, a review you can trust. But who knows what will be available when my current subscription ends? As for performance, the HCC work units all run in the 1.2 to 1.4 hour range without any attempt to overclock. David, one of the things about computers is that for any given piece of hardware/software, you will find folks that swear by it and others that swear AT it. I've run Norton on both my machines for a number of years with no problems. The real job of any AV software is to keep you from getting infected and, given the state of competition these days, once you have the basic product set (as a software maker), keeping your signatures/whatever current (and quickly) is the key to your survival. After all, if your AV product misses or is slow to be updated to dea with the latest virus, you're toast. I would tend to agree with darth's assessment of Norton though I haven't track specifics on my machines. I have noticed that it does seem to use a lot of memory though, again, I haven't tracked that over time. As for it being invasive, I think Norton has simply suffered the fate of being the biggest the soonest that tried to stay ahead by "innovating". Such is how bloatware comes to be. "Innovation", aka new features, tend to simply be more code added to the existing. It doesn't mean it's added nicely much less well-integrated. You gotta keep it on the cheap. Going back over existing code to update it is almost a miraculous event in software development. I've known of a couple of cases from my career with IBM and those happened I believe because they were able to justify it from a cost savings view. It was the old 20 percent of your code is responsible for 80 percent of your problems and support costs. It's a case of a software product surviving long enough that that 20 percent has been patched and patched and patched until it's spaghetti. It finally got to the point where it was cheaper to throw away that 20 percent of the code and rewrite it from scratch. Both products became "much more stable" with huge reductions in their volume of patches. Yea, common sense won by doing an end run. Norton is a product for the masses and thus has to presume the masses are idiots. That is probably a big factor in why more technically savvy folks consider it invasive. It "trys to think" for you. I get the "monthly news" pop-up and the other pop-ups about this or that scan. As for the high CPU usage ones, that is one of their "newer innovations". You'll see those regularly running BOINC. A "typical" user does not use much if anything of significance in the way of CPU. Thus, for them, high CPU usage must clearly be a flag of something possibly being wrong. Warn them and you can claim how your product protects them from something else. The secret with these "performance alerts" is to click on the "details" link in the pop-up. That will bring up a bigger one where you'll see that the program causing the alert is one of the science apps for WCG (or whatever DC project you're running). You can click on the "Do not alert" link there and you won't see any more of those alerts for that project until the name of the science app changes. That's usually when they update it and it gets a new version number. As for switching to another AV product, that's clearly your own call but if it's doing the job and not causing you a problem, how much will switching gain you? Are the other major competitors' products all that different? No, I didn't pick Norton specifically. I have it because it came pre-loaded and not done anything to make me switch. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Man I envy you guys with those solar cells. I need to again check and see how much that would cost for our place. Same here RT. About 4-5 years ago, I replaced the main heat/AC system with a dual-fuel system. It's cut my propane use very significantly (about 75 percent). Propane prices are like those for gasoline, though diesel may be more accurate. Now I did "go lux" and got a top of the line system. The whole thing was about 12K. I think I may have hit the breakeven point but I don't really care. The "comfort level" in the house improved significantly. I'm on top of a hill with lots of sun exposure. There's one tree that, if it fell directly towards the house, might have its top branches hit the edge of the garage. Adding solar would not gain me any more savings on propane but would reduce my electric. If I want to cut my energy costs any more, it will have to be on the electric. The solar wouldn't have to give me a fast payback as I don't plan on moving. It's going to be mainly can I afford the cost and will it make a noticable dent on the electric. I couldn't expect to save like Chris has. I'm going to have to replace the roof and adding solar as an immediate follow-on would make sense. However, cutting the heat in my attic will have to take priority over solar. My HVAC guy was telling me about a few houses he had been in over in one of the "affluent" areas of town. They actually seal off the attic from the outside. No ridge vents, soffit vents, nada. They put a thick foam layer between the rafters. In the middle of summer, he said these attics were about ten degrees warmer than the rest of the house (the part with the a/c). This is a guy that sees his share of attics so I definitely want to check that out. I have some obvious questions like the long-term outlook of the foam and its flamability but getting that done with the roof would make sense in terms of timing. A simple vent fan would be much cheaper but obviously noisier and the attic would still get quite warm. If this "foam" is the real thing, it would probably make a noticable dent in the electric alone as cooling the upstairs would take a lot less effort. Solar on top of that would be icing on the cake (I hope). The big factor is the total cost of it all as it would have to come out of savings primarily. It's going to remain tight for at least another year or two so a few financial projections will be a required part of that whole project. |
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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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 Good Morning Team As to that Norton thing, I understand if it aint broke, don't fix it but in the dozens of computers that I deal with fairly frequently, I never have any problems once MSE is installed and frequently have problems with Norton and to a lesser extent McAfee. MSE is free, efficient, and never a problem. So why pay? Anyway. Keith: If the temp is going to stay this way, it seems prudent to take additional energy saving steps. That foam is interesting. I should look at that. And solar would be soooo nice. I probably wont live long enough to break even with it though. Congratulations dubhain I am in contact with nanoprobe and he is helping me...It could be that we can squeeze a touch more out of this machine and another similar one. It looks like my tuner has it (2600K) up to 4.19Ghz as it is. |
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I had looked at both McAfee and Norton, as I wanted something not too expensive for three of my systems, and I decided to go with Norton. I don't know what Intel plans to do with McAfee (Intel Completes $7.68B Acquisition of McAfee) if it is more than an investment in a cash producing product. I have been happy with the way Norton AV continually runs Live Update (in the background) and the last time it was run was 3 minutes ago.
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 07/29 - All Members:
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Points milestones report ======================== GeraldRube reached 73,000,000 points  Coingames reached 53,000,000 points Runtime milestones report ========================= xroule reached 40 years of runtime David Autumns reached 14 years of runtime Results returned milestones report ================================== No results returned milestones found.  New members report ================== No new members found. Retired members report ====================== No new retired members found. For the week as a team: Statistics Total Run Time Points Results Team Records: Results Returned: 06/08/2011 4,091 Points: 07/18/2011 1,110,596 Runtime: 01/25/2006 1:123:00:53:34 Good crunching folks!!!!! |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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MyOnlineTeam Daily Statistics for 07/29 - Active Members
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Note: Active members are those who earned points in the prior 30 days. Top Twenty active members returning points today: 01: RT - 233,539 points 02: judson Somerville MD - 161,863 points 03: GeraldRube - 132,610 points 04: Coingames - 63,564 points 05: David Autumns - 47,171 points 06: NiceMedTexMD - 42,926 points 07: xroule - 41,583 points 08: dkt - 34,081 points 09: Blueprint - 33,012 points 10: finman - 32,122 points 11: Daeloan - 22,872 points 12: brown chris - 22,028 points 13: parmesian - 21,550 points 14: YellowAV - 13,669 points 15: Fanie - 13,492 points 16: keithhenry - 12,972 points 17: Vuj - 12,022 points 18: darth_vader - 10,534 points 19: Barramundi - 9,964 points 20: Alain Bryden - 9,676 points Total points returned today: 1,049,036 Active members returning points today: 42 Average points per member active today: 24,977.0476 |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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..........................CONGRATULATIONS GeraldRube ON REACHING 73,000,000 MOT POINTS !!!.......................... |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18665 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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..........................CONGRATULATIONS Coingames ON REACHING 53,000,000 MOT POINTS !!!.......................... |
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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Good Saturday Morning MOT Congratulations Gerald and coingames OK...enough about AV software. Everyone seems happy with what they have. Have had a busy week... Out a lot..leaving the computers up even during the worst part of the heat; Next week looks to be worse. Thanks to nanoprobe for his continuing help in the overclocking stuff. |
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