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jeffwy
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Battery swelling

I guess it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.

I was using a three year old ASUS Zenfone 3 Max phone. The one with the big battery in it. Bought it about three years ago. Used it quite often, was doing ok, but battery was bouncing around during times was not charging. Well, I figured I would use it for crunching, keep it plugged in, but today noticed battery swell a little, I don't worry too much unless it gets bad, well it got bad, my phone started splitting apart, turned it off and unplugged it immediately and put it outside in case it explodes. crying

But have a question... I need to pull some stuff off that phone before I either change the battery or throw it away. Anyone know at this point if it is even safe to turn on? Needless to say it is not safe at all to charge that battery... But... The problem is now I still have to plug the device in to a USB to pull data off of it. or to make sure I don't have anything critical on it that I forgot to download, I worry even that little charge could cause it to explode. crying

Because of this, I have decided to pretty much unplug all my Android devices. crying A pity as they were adding a few days for me even though it takes forever to get a WU in, but I fear it is just too dangerous to leave these things plugged in all day long, and actually doing so kills batteries faster than only charging once a day. The only one that does not need to be plugged in is my Lenovo pad. It is newer, gets warm, but not hot. I just worry how long it will be before I have issues with it also. Really sad...
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Re: Battery swelling

I have the same experience here. I used to run some old phones 24/7 (plugged). One day I noticed that a battery is swollen and decided to retire all of my phones. It is not worth to risk a fire for low performing phones.

My opinion (I am not a battery expert):
If you battery is swollen it is already damaged. So using that battery is risky.
If you plug it in (to a computer) it will be charged. Charging a damaged battery does not sound like a good idea. So I would not use that phone anymore! In case you really need the data on the phone you should bring it to a repair store and get the battery replaced.
If you decide to take the risk and plug it in, safety actions should be considered.
Maybe someting like: Do it outdoors. Place your phone on "fireproof" ground. Put it in some fire blanket in case it starts to burn/explode? Keep distance...
Once again, I recomment to not use that phone anymore. Plugging it in sounds dangerous to me.

And one think I would like to add: Even if your phone is not plugged in atm, the battery might still be loaded with some energy. Stored batteries can explode as well if they are damaged. Unplugging your phone does not mean it is 100% safe now.
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Re: Battery swelling

That's kind of what I figured. Because it is so old though, I am not even sure I can get it replaced. I need to get my data off of it as some of it is not backed up and some accounts for secondary social media and messaging apps I don't have user ids and passwords for. Most I do, somewhere. But there are some things on the phone I just haven't backed up yet, so I have to turn on the phone, and I have to plug it into a computer in order to get that data off.

As I live in an apartment building, no way to do it outside. I may have to do it in the kitchen where I have nothing that will burn and a tile floor. and keep a fire extingisher near by and use a notebook with a longer cable attached... Sounds like a task... But I need to get it turned on. But will first bring it to a store to see what if anything they can do.

But because of this I probably will no longer use phones or pads to crunch. I have an old notebook I can use. But probably should be taking out the battery as it will be running 24/7. It is indeed not worth the risk running Boinc on mobile devices. I have aborted or finishing up whatever is left and then I am out. I will use my pc and laptop.
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sad Re: Battery swelling

I checked. So sorry to tell you that you probably won't be able to use it again. look at the image I pulled off a website. The battery is LOCKED to the phone itself. Without a special tool, you won't be able to disassemble it. Can't you take it to an ASUS service dealer? 3yr is not a long time, they probably still provide service. Just tell them you need some of the data.


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Re: Battery swelling

But because of this I probably will no longer use phones or pads to crunch. I have an old notebook I can use. But probably should be taking out the battery as it will be running 24/7. It is indeed not worth the risk running Boinc on mobile devices. I have aborted or finishing up whatever is left and then I am out. I will use my pc and laptop.

It's not that Android devices can't be use for chrunching. Android phones manufactured 3yrs ago mostly used old CPUs that tend to generate a lot more heat than new ones. My Mi4 uses Snapdragon 801 and LeTV X900+ uses Snapdragon 810. Both generate more heat w/ only 2 cores running than the fairly new one RedMi5 w/ Snapdragon 450. The RedMi, even with 4 cores running, you just feel it's a little bit warm, much much cooler than the other two. So, it's time to buy youself a new phone, mate, and you will love it for crunching even more than PC or laptop. About the old phones, if you could have it restored to normal condition, use just 1 core at any given time or 2 cores w/ a fan blowing alongside it. laughing
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Re: Battery swelling

Jackie, yeah I know, I cannot change it by myself and wouldn't dare anyway. haha. There are many phone stores all over Taiwan that can do it for me, they provide all sorts of services like this, the problem is it may be too old for them to be able to get a battery for me. I will go to one store today to check what I can do. But I don't know how to transport this thing safely at this point. So freaky. Getting service for phones from Asus directly anymore is quite difficult, most everything is transferred to China, which doesn't help me locally.

I did notice my Lenovo does not get so hot, so you are right about the newer chips. But it is not so much the chip getting hot, but the battery getting hot from overcharging. I have an Xperia X Performance that also gets bloody hot now just from normal use, and it too has a slight bulge. But I trust Sony much more than I do Asus. But still.. Another ticking time bomb.

And my Sony XZ3 also does not get so hot, but that is my main phone, so I aborted everything and removed the app. I cannot risk my main device having problems.

Android devices are just toooooooooooooooooo slow. haha. My i9-9900 cpu in my main machine can do 16 WUs on covid 19 in 2.5 hours or so. But it is only one device.

And indeed actually I scaled back on how many WUs I was doing on the phones from 4 to like 2. But you are right, just doing one is probably much safer. But still risky. And if I replace any of the batteries they will not be factory battery probably, so which means it also carries risk. You know, so many aftermarket stuff like this in Asia, so some are safe and some are not. Hard to tell.

I see you are running many Android devices... Never get hot? You don't worry?
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Re: Battery swelling

My old phone suffered this battery swelling phenomena couple of years ago, pushing off the back cover. I'm told though that new models cut out the trickle through the battery when full and juice going directly to phone's circuit board greatly reducing risk of damaging the lithium-ion battery. At least when I take the back off the new phone and put the finger on the battery while crunching on 1 thread, it feels just ambient.
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Re: Battery swelling

@lava, I was told that even the old phones were supposed to do that. lol. but........... seems like that is not the case at all. Scary!

I can say that my Lenovo pad does not feel hot at all. And it will run when not being charged up til the low amount I set. so I set it to 40%, and it will stop, but I usually plug it back in sometime around 50-80% of full so it will keep crunching. I have 3 cores running on it, I have 29 results from that device in about 4-5 days running. Much more than any of my other smart phone devices that I have now turned off completely. I plugged in an old HP notebook, it seems to be able to do about 9 WUs a day. I pulled the battery off of that so it won't even think about charging and only use AC. Just if power is lost.. well...
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Re: Battery swelling

Check with your repair person to see if the phone can get it's battery replaced.
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