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Re: OpenPandemics GPU Beta Test - March 5 2021 [ Issues Thread ]

widdershins,

I was looking at the good_cards vs bad_cards...I can see linux machines with 730 on the good card list, however windows is on the bad list.

7 different hosts on linux with 61 successful results (GT 730)

33 different hosts on windows with 183 error results (GT 730)

So there is something in the drivers between windows and linux that is causing the issue in my opinion on this. Is there a way to confirm that you have the latest driver from nvidia and not through windows updates?

Also, as I think about this more, the openCL code between all 9 are exactly the same with the exception that the open cl code for windows can not be passed as a string due to limitations by visual studio. I will need to read up to see if there is something with the size of the opencl code that is passed to the graphics card being limited on windows. I'll have to explore that a bit, but I'm not sure what we will find on that.

Note that the success speed of the linux GT 730 was about 6600 seconds elapsed time, which is over 10x slower than the average elapsed time for all the workunits given.

I say this because there are only so many hours in the day that I can stay awake and work towards the full release and I may need to timebox how deep I go fixing it.

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Yes, the GT 730 is much slower than even the GTX660M. But really non of them are anything to spend too much time trying to make them run here.

COMPARE: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-...orce-GT-730/m7749vsm12582
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Re: OpenPandemics GPU Beta Test - March 5 2021 [ Issues Thread ]

7 different hosts on linux with 61 successful results (GT 730)

33 different hosts on windows with 183 error results (GT 730)


A long standing problem with Windows 10 and OpenCL apps for Nvidia GPUs is that Windows' automatic updates often update the Nvida driver with a driver that supports only CUDA but does not include the OpenCL driver.

At another BOINC project with many GPU apps, we have both CUDA and OpenCL sub-projects, so when someone asks why their GPU isn't working, the first question we always ask them is "Are you running Windows 10?" and the second question is "Does XYZ (the CUDA app) work?". 9 times out of 10, the answers are "yes" and "yes", and the fix is "Go load the latest driver directly from Nvidia's website."

This behavior of Win 10 is the cause of much heartburn.

The problem manifests itself as "no OpenCL device found", or similar error messages.
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A long standing problem with Windows 10 and OpenCL apps for Nvidia GPUs is that Windows' automatic updates often update the Nvida driver with a driver that supports only CUDA but does not include the OpenCL driver

Just another reason automatic updates should be set to either let you choose to install the ones you want or just turned off completely. 99%+ of them do not even pertain to the everyday user and are for business/enterprise users.
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A long standing problem with Windows 10 and OpenCL apps for Nvidia GPUs is that Windows' automatic updates often update the Nvida driver with a driver that supports only CUDA but does not include the OpenCL driver

Just another reason automatic updates should be set to either let you choose to install the ones you want or just turned off completely. 99%+ of them do not even pertain to the everyday user and are for business/enterprise users.


Doing system updates makes sense, not just for enterprise users. Overriding original device drivers by the system update is silly though (never happened to me).
I'd wish i had more control over the Win10 updates but i do them nonetheless.
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Re: OpenPandemics GPU Beta Test - March 5 2021 [ Issues Thread ]

widdershins,

I was looking at the good_cards vs bad_cards...I can see linux machines with 730 on the good card list, however windows is on the bad list.

7 different hosts on linux with 61 successful results (GT 730)

33 different hosts on windows with 183 error results (GT 730)

So there is something in the drivers between windows and linux that is causing the issue in my opinion on this. Is there a way to confirm that you have the latest driver from nvidia and not through windows updates?

Also, as I think about this more, the openCL code between all 9 are exactly the same with the exception that the open cl code for windows can not be passed as a string due to limitations by visual studio. I will need to read up to see if there is something with the size of the opencl code that is passed to the graphics card being limited on windows. I'll have to explore that a bit, but I'm not sure what we will find on that.

Note that the success speed of the linux GT 730 was about 6600 seconds elapsed time, which is over 10x slower than the average elapsed time for all the workunits given.

I say this because there are only so many hours in the day that I can stay awake and work towards the full release and I may need to timebox how deep I go fixing it.

Thanks,
-Uplinger


I'll agree that it isn't worth spending too much time on it, and honestly won't be upset if you have to admit defeat due to he pressures of other work. Never let perfect be the enemy of good.

Realistically, pushing the GPU version out the door to 95% of GPU's without fixes for some cards will be more beneficial for the project than delaying things for a few weeks to get it 100% perfect. If a fix is found it can be rolled out further down the line.

The machine is running Win7 Pro 64bit with the latest available drivers for the card downloaded from the Asus website 461.09 it was released in January 2021. I think there is a newer version on the Nvidia website 461.72, but haven't installed that as I thought the Asus drivers would be the most certain to be compatible with my card.

If you know of drivers that are giving good results I'm more than happy to give them a try.

Thanks for taking a look at it though, hopefully whatever you discover from this beta test will be helpful for future GPU projects on WCG.
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Re: OpenPandemics GPU Beta Test - March 5 2021 [ Issues Thread ]

Good evening,

Looks like I forgot to press the right button when moving those posts out of view. I did not mean to move the legitimate posts from our members, However, they were just discussing the spam...So I apologize if moving your post out causes confusion. I am looking to see about removing them from the forums for good.

As always, I appreciate everything you, the volunteers do for World Community Grid!

Thanks,
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OPG with a good Blacklist of GPU's like the HCC-project in the past is needed to get more control of failed GPU-Tasks.
The driver problem have all GPU's in all OS.
This must be careful tested and installed at the Computer from the WCG-User. (OPENCL 1.2)
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Re: OpenPandemics GPU Beta Test - March 5 2021 [ Issues Thread ]

Good evening,

Looks like I forgot to press the right button when moving those posts out of view. I did not mean to move the legitimate posts from our members, However, they were just discussing the spam...So I apologize if moving your post out causes confusion. I am looking to see about removing them from the forums for good.

As always, I appreciate everything you, the volunteers do for World Community Grid!

Thanks,
-Uplinger


It is as nothing compared to the work you do for us.
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Re: OpenPandemics GPU Beta Test - March 5 2021 [ Issues Thread ]

Just noticed an error from 7 March. Sorry if this was already discussed;
Windows 10 16 Memory. Nvidia card. in log: BETA_ OPNG_ 0022156_ 00123_ 0
core_client_version>7.14.3</core_client_version>
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<message>
(unknown error) - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)</message>
<stderr_txt>
projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/wcgrid_beta29_autodockgpu_7.26_windows_x86_64__opencl_nvidia_102 -jobs OPNG_0022156_00123.job -input OPNG_0022156_00123.zip -seed 1507092337 -wcgruns 2650 -wcgdpf 53
INFO: Using gpu device from app init data 0
INFO:[19:19:04] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[19:19:32] End AutoGrid...
INFO:[19:19:33] Start AutoDock for ZINC001219281564_RX1--6y84_003_gln110-rot--CYS156.dpf(Job #0)...
OpenCL device: GeForce GT 730


Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x00007FF68C2BDB30 read attempt to address 0x00000000

Engaging BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger...

lots more after. Happy to make any configuration testing to provided more information
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