Why do you think people are leaving this team? Where do you see anyone changing projects to improve points? I have gone to DDDT to prevent the damage to the results stats caused by those leaving, not points. And if I could I would run HCC, but that project is highly machine dependent, or have you noticed.

Do you want to know why I have suspended WCG Sports, a league for the team challenges at WCG. It's not because I have lost crunchers, its because the playing field in not level enough. Anyone involved in the challenges would have to change their project profile to DDDT to prevent dragging an anchor. Oh, and what are the Team Challenges for? Dear God should we have fun doing this.

Oh, and you will love this, WCG is the worst project for BOINC credits in all of DC. So why would this team be here if everywhere else would be better score. So I think we can drop the concept about the points mongering.

Since you have brought up the team size change, let me explain:

Royden hasn’t really left. He is at Serious Crunchers helping his friends. At the most, he may not be happy about how I last congratulated him on his accomplishments, as the comment I made had a war reference. But that is about it.

Pepe has a two fold problem. He has noticed that the code is not to his caliber and that he wishes to crunch somewhere else more efficient. The flip side to this is an environmental concern. He would crunch here more if he felt that it was more inline with his personal concerns to crunch for climate control. The team may be loosing points, as he is switching off some of his machines. But what I am loosing more is a tiger, as he clearly is. That is just a personal issue on my part, as it is better to have tigers than to have to train sheep. And even thought he is mostly gone, I doubt he will be far from us.

Becca, well, has split twice. Both times showing that when anyone leaves, so shall she, to improve her drama at your expense. So if you want her on your team, I think she is still a free agent. Enjoy.
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So if you think you have some handle on this, please, go get the quotes. Otherwise, your baseless accusations are as valid as hers.

What you do need to know is this is a cancer crunching unit. Something I don’t need to prove, as this teams tag has said it long before the HCC project was released.

So tell me, what is the real beef? For right now, the buzz about me is war mongering, because when I say “we are at war with disease”, they bend it to their own personal conclusion, which also has no basis. Need I be more clear? Or do you need more details? You have said you “read this thread in detail”, now prove it.

I have been away for a short while, but have now caught up with what has been said around here lately - and for what its worth Courine I believe I understand what you are saying and why you say it.

You correctly say that HCC has caused problems for some running certain machines, and as a result they will not run the project which is a shame and something I would like to see rectified, but alas it seems its not a priority for WCG. I would be interested in seeing if this has impacted at all on the runtime for that project, because there is no doubt many more would run the project and much more could be achieved if these problems could be resolved. Many folks and some teams like yours have come here primarily to join the fight against Cancer, and the fact that they are unable to do so efficiently with the machinery at their disposal has meant some sadly have and will look elsewhere.

I also understand why you have suspended your WCG Sports for fears that it may further impact on the HCC project by competitors seeking more efficient and higher scoring projects to remain competitive.

I do have to disagree however that WCG is the worst for Boinc credit in all of DC - I would say its around lower than average to average - but there is no doubt that some do look to this when deciding which projects to run, so WCG will not be their first choice. I do believe the whole issue of Boinc credit is currently being looked at in an attempt to bring certain high scoring projects into line, although this is unlikely to bring any increase in the credit at WCG.

I also recognise your term 'sheep' and why you say it - this place tends not to like being questioned, and those that do are no doubt regarded as trouble makers (as no doubt I am )

All I can say to you Courine is keep fighting for what you believe in, and don't give up and join the flock - this place needs characters not more sheep

Courine,

I can assure you that this email is not an attack on yourself, and I appreciate the time and effort you have but into this and other discussions.

From reading the thread it feels that several people here are unhappy for one reason or another, and there are certainly issues with the points system for some. Points for me is really is not an issue, and I partcipitate in all projects on a range of machines without issues.

Some projects may yield more points than other, but the research still needs to be done.

This research requires constant development of the software, and some codes/projects will always be slightly more effcient than others. WCG have limited amounts of resources (like everybody else), but do try to accommodate all of our requirements. They just need time, and people like you to keep pushing them.

All WCG ask of us is to volenteer spare resources on our computers whilst we are using them. I appreciate that many people run their machines 24/7 just for this research to be carried out with greater speed, but this is at cost to the environment. There are many arguments/opinions for and against, but we will not go into them here.

We need characters in the forums to keep pushing progress with WCG and these people have certainly contributed to the continuing development of WCG. But we should not be getting hung up on the points system and getting frustrated with each other.

Keep pushing, keep crucnhing, and give WCG, with our support, the chance to do great things.

Gen.Patton:


Sir! Permission to speak freely.

You have been in every great war since the beginning of time. Why leave you out of that one? Anyway, you have 4 stars. In grid.org terms, that means you earned 4 million points. It is just your stars came the hard way.

United States awards:

Distinguished Service Cross with one oak leaf cluster
Distinguished Service Medal with two oak leaf clusters
Silver Star with one oak leaf cluster
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star Medal
Purple Heart
Silver Lifesaving Medal
Mexican Service Medal
World War I Victory Medal with five battle clasps
European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with one silver and two bronze service stars
American Defense Service Medal
World War II Victory Medal
and posthumously, the Army of Occupation Medal.

Outside the US military:

British Order of the Bath
Order of the British Empire
Belgian Order of Leopold
Belgian Croix de Guerre
French Legion of Honor
French Croix de Guerre
Luxemburg War Cross
Grand Luxemburg Cross of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau
Grand Cross of Ouissam Alaouite of Morocco
Order of the White Lion of Czechoslovakia
Czechoslovakian War Cross

Need I say more? You may not have been there, but your spirt was, just as you are here now. This is why I bare you full military flourishes befitting your rank, even though I command the ship.

MonsterMash


As it should! The reason why a member joins a team is for community as well as security. The team challenges are valuable to all that participate. But this is just my role as captain. I have made no requests for the team to change course to accommodate this in anyway. I’m just following my normal directives regarding civil responsibilities and imperatives outside this team.

The current advisory for HCC is just that. It’s to allow you to know the problem exists, but is not a directive. The reason why I suggested DDDT, was really because I had to look at all involve. DDDT seems to have the least problems and would be seen as a safe harbor for anyone if you had problems with HCC (or any other) project.



MM, your "blabbing" wrote the textbook of the very epiphany that made grid.org strong. When I saw that you had joined this team, as well as Cargod, was the clearly the proudest day of my life. Then Roger joined. I have much to be proud of, as I have live with a illness for over 15 years that normally kills in 3. So, that position in my life is hard to beat.



Yes, I was there as you might remember. I was a pita fighter. You know, I was fending off those from outside grid.org. Those who had decided for us that we were stupid for staying. What I came to notice is that 4 out of 5 of them were from here. So if they want to go down the road of “research needs to get done no matter the cost”, then they need to look back only a few months, to where the very fuel that fired the pita’s from here.

In an email from Patton, he asked me if I was formally trained in the military, as it looks. I said no, but I am part of the VFW. Veteran of Forum Wars.



You want to know why you want me as your captain. It is because of this:

"Command has its privilege, but the respect of your personnel is earned by your selfless devotion to them."

For there is not a day that passes that I do not accept this responsibility. As not a day passes that you don't make me proud!