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Former Member
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A little known fact - normally it costs more energy to build in the energy-saving features required for the energy-saving sticker than is actually saved. Capital energy expenditures for building a computer are a much larger part of the energy budget for a computer than for a transportation vehicle.
The main thing is to do what makes YOU comfortable. See ya when the snowflakes fall. ![]() Lawrence |
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I have a Kill-a-Watt meter that tells me how many watts any appliance is pulling out of the power socket. By far, the most efficient computer right now is my undervolted Macbook Pro (2.16ghz)... It pulls 60W from the socket with both cores at full load and the screen off and battery not charging. In comparison, my overclocked dual core 2.8ghz Opteron desktop pulls close to 300W from the socket at full load. It's not quite an incandescent light bulb, that's a house full of lights sometimes. At idle, that computer pulls a little over 100W from the socket.
So it all depends, but there are fast desktops now that suck down power... as I realized with a $700+ electricity bill one month during the summer of last year. |
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Sekerob
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theavang wrote: If you set the WCG(UD) agent or BOINC at their minimum profile / default of 60%, it should not cause much fan noise. Way to miss the point. The point was I have two choices: - run the agent and CPU at 50% (CPU number 1), thus generating lots of heat & wasted energy - DON'T run the agent, and keep my CPU idling at 5% (while browsing the net), thereby SAVING energy Yes, you can switch off your machine or not run the agent. That's entirely your personal choice about which we are not going to argue even for a second. To ascertain if we really are talking on same page, pointing out that a 50% indication in the Task Manager for CPU-1 (Core 0 or 1?) is equal running 1 science project at 100%. Oddly, you get a better heat performance if running 2 threads at real 50% throttle. What throttle speed (CPU Resource %) is your UD agent indicating in the Graphics screen, usually somewhere near the bottom? As said, the default is 60%. Typically in windows Taskmanager that would show for 1 core as 30% or with BOINC on 1 core fluctuating, but on average 30%. The message is from WCG to paraphrase: If you have spare cycles when your machine is on for normal daily use, the extra electricity is minimal. If you contribute that, we can use the CPU cycles to do medical and life science research to help expedite for instance cancer research or resolutions to AIDS or Muscular Dystrophy. The default CPU utilization is designed to make the whole process non-intrusive to include preventing fan blazing.
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E. Frijters
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Uhmm I didn't read all the replies... just wanted to share something I tested:
----------------------------------------When I installed BOINC on a dual core, within 5 minutes the fan went buzzin'... So it's using more power, things heat up, fan kicks in and cools everything down... and makes a lot of noise I can live without... So I turned the max cpu usage (in my profile) down to 90% (as a test) and my fan (fanny? ![]() So, less heat, no fan, less noise... me happy... (Now I'm off to check the price of that 16 core...)
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David Autumns
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As you know I chew this environmental thing over and over and yes I'm sure we are polluting the planet by Grid Computing by how much is a matter for debate.
----------------------------------------but the point is this If we can stop the suffering of anyone young or old through our endevours it has to be worth it. I was considering the environment until I saw a child the age of my Jess with a scar the length of her torso wearing a hat because Chemo had robbed her of her hair and then I knew I couldn't switch off my PC. You can get core 2 duo processors that consume 35 watts flat out and ~5 on idle. So with power supply inefficiencies running the Grid takes tops 60W - A light bulbs worth of electricity - fit the energy saving ones around the house and you are ahead of the game. For instance the psu on a Macbook is 60W for the whole laptop and you get 2 work units crunched at the same time and usually at the same time as you are MSNing without any thought for the cost to the environment or your pocket and yet through the WCG you could be helping stop the suffering described above. You weigh it up and make your own decision I'm backing the Grid Dave ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by David Autumns at May 2, 2007 5:37:27 PM] |
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E. Frijters
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Hear, hear!!
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cargod01
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You knew me as 'electrictroy' at the grid.org forum. So how much impact does running the Grid Agent have on the environment (and our health)? Somebody at the other forum sat down & did the calculations, and revealed it's equivalent in CO2 and other polluants to driving the average car 10,000 miles (per year). Is it worth it? Is it worthwhile to expend that much energy/pollution for the results obtained? Well, ask someone who currently is in treatment for cancer and you'll get one answer, ask Al Gore and you may get another. I don't buy into the whole global warming is caused by humans thing. We had cooling and warming before we had any of the power plants, factories, cars, trucks, etc. One volcanic eruption can spew as many pollutants as all the automobiles in the world do in 10+ years. My opinion, if you can afford the electric bill, run your computer! I don't think this is the proper forum for a global warming debate, so that is all I will say on the subject. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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courine
Master Cruncher Capt., Team In2My.Net Cmd. HQ: San Francisco Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Post Count: 1794 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A copy of a post I made regurding this subject. I was an electrical engineer for 15 years. If you are worried about power use, make sure you realize the fullest gravity of all facts before considering any facts at all.
----------------------------------------My vote: Even though less power may in truth be used if UD agent is off. This is just snake oil to fry those who dont see the bigger picture. ____________________________________________________ I run 6 systems from 500mhz to duo's. this would be a good cross section of systems out there crunching. I pay no more now for power than before, but im billed 12cents/kwh. How? I replaced the lightbulbs in the house with CFL. The one time cost of only 40 bucks now saves me the power to put into the systems here 24/7. Crystal Flourecent Lighting can be used everywhere you dont have a dimmer. The ones I run are replace a 60w bulb on only 16w of juice. And if you have dimmers, they are not very effecient. Its better to have multiple bulbs for different levels of lighting. If you run your fridge on "arctic", realize it need be only "temperate". If you dont fill the fridge, fill it with spacers that reduce the air from falling out onto the floor. Thus causing that compressor motor to kick on less and stay off longer. And for god sake, use the washer/dryer with care. Load only efficent loads that get the most out of each laundery. None of this 2 or 3 items on X-Large load setting. If you have a natural gas at your place and you still have an electric dryer, you need not worry how much a few machines would take. So, see how perspective and a bit of know-how can change much. I will cover more in a thread im importing from the old grid.org forums. But until I have it going, email me at coraonasty@hotmail.com for further ways to keep the bill down. ________________________________________________ ![]() ![]() ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by courine at May 2, 2007 9:50:57 PM] |
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Paul Schlaffer
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Is it worthwhile to expend that much energy/pollution for the results obtained? Distributed projects in general are designed to use your spare computing power. So if you leave your system on for the same length of time whether or not you were running a grid project, the difference is small. The Kill-a-Watt or similar meter can tell you the actual difference and cost. The power consumption of different processors varies widely these days. For example, my VIA 1.2 Ghz CPU pulls 14 watts at full power while my Opteron 170 uses 110 watts. You can also check with your electric company to see if they offer any “green” programs. For a small extra charge, all the power I use at my home is guaranteed to come from wind and solar. Running a bunch of old, slow, computers just for grid computing is in my opinion, not worth the resources used for the results returned. ![]() “Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” – James Madison (1792) [Edit 2 times, last edit by Paul Schlaffer at May 2, 2007 10:50:43 PM] |
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cargod01
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Running a bunch of old, slow, computers just for grid computing is in my opinion, not worth the resources used for the results returned. No argument from me on that. All the computers I have are used by people daily. The single P3 that I have left running is actually only turned on when someone is using it then off when finished. Most of the P4s run 24/7. Since electrical rates have tripled in the last 3 years, I have upgraded my monitors, whenever possible, to LCD and I turn off the monitor after a few minutes via Windows power management when not in use, even if the PC is left on. I have used Compact Fluorescent bulbs instead of regular bulbs for quite a while. I also have Energy Star rated fluorescent lights in most overhead lights in the house. I do use the more expensive natural light bulbs that emit a wider spectrum of light to help avoid the office lighting blues... the person that owned the house before had fluorescent fixtures fitted to the old screw-in ceiling lights. They were so old, they still required the use of starters to get the lamps on. I upgraded them to the more efficient ballasts & bulbs. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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