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David Autumns
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

And also let's not forget how having a PC can be green

Many a day I have worked from home through VPN's this

1) Cut's down on the CO2 emissions from my Car or Train
2) Means I'm not stuck in the Jam requiring milllions of tons of concrete to be poured to build more roads
3) My Car (and it's spare parts) don't need replacing so often
4) New Office Blocks don't have to be built and serviced.

recently I have been working on a project of my own and I've done just 350 miles travel in the last 7 weeks

all thanks to the "environmentally unfriendly" PC

I think they are great and you can run the World Community Grid on them too

Bonus

Happy Crunching Folks

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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

Oh and get one of these or one of it's brother or sisters

http://www.artic-cooling.com/pc_case2.php?idx=117

not only can you hear yourself think it has a great PSU from Seasonic in there the important points being

* Excellent Efficiency of up to 80%
- Low heat generation
- Lower energy consumption
- Lowest electricity costs
* Active PFC
- Apparent power = real power
- No additional power bill cost because of higher apparent power consumption




(One day I'll get that sponsorship deal from the Arctic Cooling gang wink )

All my Fans are Arctic Cooling - to be recommended

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smile Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

You knew me as 'electrictroy' at the grid.org forum.

So how much impact does running the Grid Agent have on the environment (and our health)? Somebody at the other forum sat down & did the calculations, and revealed it's equivalent in CO2 and other polluants to driving the average car 10,000 miles (per year).

Is it worth it?

Is it worthwhile to expend that much energy/pollution for the results obtained?


Sure ! And try to beat my argument !
I'm sure you will agree with me that we are spending much more energy every minute with ALL THE HOSPITAL/AMBULANCE/HEALTH CARE/MEDICAL MACHINES/OVERNIGHT STAFF/ ETC... ETC in all the countries in the world, than with the Grid, that is trying to reduce all of that to a simple PILL (taken when the disease is still in her infancy).

Is it ?:-)
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

Well..... I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I'm going to say it anyway, because it's true.

- If there were only 0.1 billion humans (instead of 6 billion), the environmental problems would not exist. Fewer humans == less pollution == no need to worry about scarcity of resources & damage to the earth.

If today's world was the same population as 0 A.D., we'd not have smog.
The message is from WCG to paraphrase: If you have spare cycles when your machine is on for normal daily use, the extra electricity is minimal.


Well you see, this is the part that I dispute. Why? Because a PC that is sitting idle will "throttle down" and use less energy.

It would be the (rough) equivalent of slowing-down your car to 45. Yeah sure, you could redline the engine and "use the spare horses" at 110 mph, but why would you want to? You'll reduce your energy expenditure if you throttle down.

WCG runs my PC at 50.
I'd prefer to let my PC sit idling at 5,
and save some energy (and make my room cooler too).
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

This depends.... previously, there was very little difference between idle and 100%. Now computers are more energy efficient, they can step down the processor when it is underused, saving energy. Running WCG typically prevents this. Still, an energy efficient computer should continue to be efficient even at 100%.

Get the throttle tool here: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=cpuuse#230
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

Well..... I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I'm going to say it anyway, because it's true.

- If there were only 0.1 billion humans (instead of 6 billion), the environmental problems would not exist. Fewer humans == less pollution == no need to worry about scarcity of resources & damage to the earth.

If today's world was the same population as 0 A.D., we'd not have smog.
The message is from WCG to paraphrase: If you have spare cycles when your machine is on for normal daily use, the extra electricity is minimal.


Well you see, this is the part that I dispute. Why? Because a PC that is sitting idle will "throttle down" and use less energy.

It would be the (rough) equivalent of slowing-down your car to 45. Yeah sure, you could redline the engine and "use the spare horses" at 110 mph, but why would you want to? You'll reduce your energy expenditure if you throttle down.

WCG runs my PC at 50.
I'd prefer to let my PC sit idling at 5,
and save some energy (and make my room cooler too).


But you are using what as a benchmark?
I'll bet your P4 or duocore is drawing no more power than a 486 CPU did.
With advances in HDDs, even with the huge sizes, they now draw less power than the 20MB HDD I paid $1000 for years ago.
Unless you are leaving the monitor or other periphiels on; you should be using less energy with a modern box than any of the older ones... and doing 10x the crunching.

So where should we start in reducing the population?
Euthanasia?
Who will volunteer their parents/grandparents to be first?
How many in your family would be willing to have their children (or themselves) sterilized to help reduce the population explosion?
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

theaveng putting aside your population control statement

Tell us the spec of this PC of yours and we'll be able to suggest ways to reduce the running costs and the environmental impact so that you might one day have been able to help those that you know and love through the WCG

Dave
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

- If there were only 0.1 billion humans (instead of 6 billion), the environmental problems would not exist. Fewer humans == less pollution == no need to worry about scarcity of resources & damage to the earth.

If today's world was the same population as 0 A.D., we'd not have smog.
Humans are not an endangered species, true. We in the western U.S. now have CHINESE smog.

BTW, there was no 0 A.D. Years went directly from -1 B.C. to 1 A.D. (conveniently calculated without the use of zero after the fact sometime after 525 A.D.) Grabbing off chunks of 100 years means that the current century started in 2001, not 2000.

If the population were not "1" in 4004 BC and "2" shortly thereafter, look after the eruption of Mount Toba in Sumatra 71,000 years ago for a population bottleneck --- with a 6 year worldwide volcanic winter and the coldest 1,000 years of the ice age. Perhaps only 15,000 to 40,000 people survived.
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Re: I'm back! How much energy is used by the Grid Agent?

Yes, I cut the machines at 500mhz now. As a system comes to retirement, I scrap the old mobo-cpu and upgrade the machines around it. leaving a shell.

Soon I will see if some good mobo-cpu combo packs come available. Then ride the cheap ram train my local computer store. Then I can repopulate a shell or 2.

But my front room still looks like a feakin' computer club hit it!
A 0.5GHz machine here is still barely crunching. I *DID* transmogrify a 1.7GHz Dell into into a 2.0GHz AMD machine, which was further overclocked to 2.4GHz for crunching.
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