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mclaver
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Post Count: 566 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Boy am I glad that early in the year I started balance my work, trying to move them all together, until a new project came out. When I new project came out I concentrated on it to get it up to the other ones.
----------------------------------------I like the new badges. And I am ready for one at three years becasue that is my lowest on active projects. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
For goodness sakes,
I don't get it. Almost what ever is suggested as possible improvements, from what I've been able to tell, we get the, "insufficient resources" kinds of drivel. And now, this is what we're getting? Good Grief! |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3715 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Barney,
----------------------------------------It seems that you are not able (or you make believe you are not) to evaluate 1. the level of complexity and effort of a change 2. its implications on operations 3. its interest for members. Once the badge system is in place, adding three new levels is not difficult, it is not much work, it is not dangerous for the grid and it easily keeps many members entertained for a while. Until other members of the staff are able to implement more difficult improvements... or until more levels of badges are added. I hope I have not offended anybody from the staff involved in this badge improvement. Jean. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Jean,
I'm more than aware the effort necessary to put in changes to a complex software system. You'll just have to trust me on that one. I'm much more interested in operational efficiencies of the system than badges which I hope you understand. Expending scarce and already over committed resources on things to make badges pretty seems like a complete waste of energy which might be better utilized else where. That was simply the whole point to this, that's all. I appreciate all the things the technical staff does, and I understand all the effort involved. But this, IMHO, is something that could have waited until, next year, the following year, 5 years or never implemented. Again, IMHO, the badges are nice, albeit, they were more than sufficient prior this newest implementation. And as you so eloquently stated, I too hope I've not offended anyone from the staff. |
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nasher
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 2, 2005 Post Count: 1423 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
remember there are many people who work at WCG i am sure that this change only took 1 or 2 people to change the badges it probaly dosnt take away from the other improvements and the other work.
----------------------------------------I like the badges and i am glad they added them ![]() |
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nly32630
Advanced Cruncher The Netherlands Joined: Dec 3, 2007 Post Count: 138 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Anyone else feel bad about dedicating an entire machine to run CEP WUs and nothing else, all for changing badge colors? It seems ironic that the machine is consuming "dirty" energy trying to find clean energy sources. Vinoendy: You got a point! I think many people can decide to use green energy, like wind or the current solar energy. I get my energy from a supplier that has got the right certificates for green energy, so I don't need to feel bad about consuming dirty energy.
Greetings,
Arjan ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Thanks to WCG for the new badges. Whether they are light blue or dark blue is immaterial, they are there to recognize the commitment of the cruncher.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
And I was thinking the whole point of the "badge"-system was so the "normal" users that never has any hope of ever reaching top-10000, but has been running WCG for a long time, also should have something to strive for, and get some recognition for their input... I believe the badge system was to provide some recognition for the time donated.But, these new badges on the other hand, is clearly geared to the high-end-users, that already is (or very soon is) among top-10k by points... It can also be said that the original 3 badges were geared only to the low-end users.Any user running a single computer, with a single-core-cpu, has had the chance to get 10 gold-badges, All they had to do was run for over 2.5 years, and now those same users have the ability to earn 10 ruby badges if they run 5 years. But your logic evaporates if even one of those projects does not run for an elapsed time of 2.5 years (which they dont). Look, nobody can even buy a new single core computer. Please get away from classifying the NORMAL user. I find it offensive. If you were researching a cure for AIDS, would you rather have 10 Normal users with a single dual core machine each (20 slow cores total), or 10 Abnormal users with twin 8 Xeon core computers (160 fast cores total)? Normally speaking, I would go for more results.Crunchers contribute what they can. Why would you even think of labelling someone who has two computers and only uses one for WCG as NORMAL, while any user that uses every computer they can to contribute to WCG as ABNORMAL? The WU are being done by everybody; it doesn't matter who they are. 10 computers finishing 1 WU per day have the same value to WCG as one computer finishing 10 WU in the same day. That is the beauty of WCG and BOINC. It is not about who is the fastest or the biggest, it is about getting the WU completed. It is about the science. I am doing about 80 WU per day now. If I quit WCG, I can be replaced by 40 new dual core machines. Am I valuable? Certainly, but the 659 new computers that came online with WCG yesterday will more than make up for what I was doing. I am valuable to WCG but not so important that I cant be replaced. BUT while I am still around, nobody can honestly say that 19.5 years donated SHOULD NOT BE RECOGNIZED. And that is what the new badges do (in part) for the thousands of crunchers who have already earned a Gold badge in any project and who may now have a totally irrelevant and useless badge as recognition for their work. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The badges have created more mixed feelings than any other WCG feature.
Despite the complaints, I think they have worked. It is often those very people who want the system changed who are striving hardest to achieve particular badge levels. Even people who are less passionate or more comfortable with the system have been putting in extra effort to reach new personal goals. I also think that having unreachable goals does, at least in part, take some of the pressure off. But what of those people who have already reached the top? Well, the goalposts move, always, out ahead of us. If we add a 10 year badge, soon we will need a 20 year badge. And that will happen, but I don't believe there is any rush. Enjoy these new badges for a while. |
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TimAndHedy
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 27, 2009 Post Count: 267 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Don't forget the month of meetings it took to decide the color, length, etc.
I expect the "Management" of this took much longer the the actual change. |
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