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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Thanks Rickjb for your comment. You are absolutely right. In fact I have recycled graphic cards I had anyway. For the new cards I use the Nvidia GT220 as standard. In fact it is a little under 100$, but it runs cuda (not very powerful but ready when WCG may have it) and is powerful enough for aero of Windows, I know it is not important for crunching but this a personal issue. Regarding hard disks it is the same situation. I recycled hard disks I had already but for a new one I set the standard as a Velociraptor 300 GB. The reason is that it is one of the fastest and price has well gone down with the SSD's coming but still much too expensive and I still am not convinced about their long term reliability.
My point here is that I wanted every machine to be fully indipendent and that could be at any time taken away and immediately used for another purpose. Changing a machine with a new one is completely transparent to the whole system and done in a blink of an eye. Installing the DVI multiplexers is straight forward. So let's put it this way, my solution is not the most economical and I know that, but it was the fastest in time and the most flexible to set up, without any special piece of software other than what I perfectly know. I am used to assemble the rigs. It takes me half an hour to set up a rig when I know all components, and one more hour max to install the softwares, drivers, configure everything for crunching. This is the advantage of standardisation.
Regarding your comment on form and function It is true that I give also some importance to form. I must admit that and there is a price to pay. biggrin
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Just when you think things are running fine and you will get some quiet time someone decides that no your not..
Just got a email that I have a couple of new fancy cpu's coming..
Can't say too much right now but they will be of a green flavor this time instead of blue and have something to do with a race track in France I think. biggrin
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Just when you think things are running fine and you will get some quiet time someone decides that no your not..
Just got a email that I have a couple of new fancy cpu's coming..
Can't say too much right now but they will be of a green flavor this time instead of blue and have something to do with a race track in France I think. biggrin


You are one cruel dude! angry Come here and tease us with this. Only thing that comes to mind is (probably wrong) AMD! Don't give us that NDA stuff, shhh speak up! We await the spoken secret!!!!! money eyes
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Just when you think things are running fine and you will get some quiet time someone decides that no your not..
Just got a email that I have a couple of new fancy cpu's coming..
Can't say too much right now but they will be of a green flavor this time instead of blue and have something to do with a race track in France I think. biggrin


You are one cruel dude! angry Come here and tease us with this. Only thing that comes to mind is (probably wrong) AMD! Don't give us that NDA stuff, shhh speak up! We await the spoken secret!!!!! money eyes

cpu's will be here Tuesday, board is coming but no date yet.
I do have 18 1 gig DDR3-1333 ECC REG so memory isn't an issue.
Will be interesting working with green chips when I'm so used to blue ! biggrin
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Movieman, I read somewhere data on the AMD Magny Cours chip with 12 cores but it seems it is not able to beat the 980X. I may be wrong for sure. What I remember the chip is not very fast, and the fastest version is under 3 Ghz, probably 2.6 Ghz. Dunno if it does overclock well.

I never used AMD chips in all my life. I started my hardware experiences with Zilog and Motorola chips, then switched to Intel and never changed ever since. So AMD would be a new experience.
Anyway here are my conditions to bother using AMD chips in my system as a WCG cruncher:

1) It must return over 75'000 ppd / CPU air cooled
2) Energy consumption for single socket rig must be 3.2 mW/point or less.
3) Chip cost for the performance mentioned above must be 1'100 US$ max.
4) A dual socket system with 150'000 ppd and 7 mW/point air cooled should not cost more than 5'000 US$

If this four conditions are reunited than I will start seriously thinking about it. My youngest kid has a pretty old desktop, and if he does well at his exams in June I may decide to give him one of my planets to free a slot in my computer room. RA is fighting back. biggrin
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Movieman, I read somewhere data on the AMD Magny Cours chip with 12 cores but it seems it is not able to beat the 980X. I may be wrong for sure. What I remember the chip is not very fast, and the fastest version is under 3 Ghz, probably 2.6 Ghz. Dunno if it does overclock well.

I never used AMD chips in all my life. I started my hardware experiences with Zilog and Motorola chips, then switched to Intel and never changed ever since. So AMD would be a new experience.
Anyway here are my conditions to bother using AMD chips in my system as a WCG cruncher:

1) It must return over 75'000 ppd / CPU air cooled
2) Energy consumption for single socket rig must be 3.2 mW/point or less.
3) Chip cost for the performance mentioned above must be 1'100 US$ max.
4) A dual socket system with 150'000 ppd and 7 mW/point air cooled should not cost more than 5'000 US$

If this four conditions are reunited than I will start seriously thinking about it. My youngest kid has a pretty old desktop, and if he does well at his exams in June I may decide to give him one of my planets to free a slot in my computer room. RA is fighting back. biggrin

I hear you and have no arguments with your logic.
I've heard some of the same things myself but we have a saying in the USA, an old one, that I adhere to: "I'm from Missouri, Show me!"
Meaning I want to see it with my own eyes. I'm not from Missouri but I agree with their logic.
I'll see for myself, compare to the Intel, and then post what I see and we'll all know and thats know not think. biggrin
I think the fastest chips they have are either 2.3 or 2.6..
Definately worthwhile doing for me with the cpu's and board free and I do have 18-1 gig sticks of DDR3-1333 ECC REG memory here, the PSU to handle that system, case,etc so out of pocket cost is zero to get it running..
As long as it doesn't draw a zillion watts it's cost to build will be way below your numbers! laughing
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Movieman, I read somewhere data on the AMD Magny Cours chip with 12 cores but it seems it is not able to beat the 980X. I may be wrong for sure. What I remember the chip is not very fast, and the fastest version is under 3 Ghz, probably 2.6 Ghz. Dunno if it does overclock well.

I never used AMD chips in all my life. I started my hardware experiences with Zilog and Motorola chips, then switched to Intel and never changed ever since. So AMD would be a new experience.
Anyway here are my conditions to bother using AMD chips in my system as a WCG cruncher:

1) It must return over 75'000 ppd / CPU air cooled
2) Energy consumption for single socket rig must be 3.2 mW/point or less.
3) Chip cost for the performance mentioned above must be 1'100 US$ max.
4) A dual socket system with 150'000 ppd and 7 mW/point air cooled should not cost more than 5'000 US$

If this four conditions are reunited than I will start seriously thinking about it. My youngest kid has a pretty old desktop, and if he does well at his exams in June I may decide to give him one of my planets to free a slot in my computer room. RA is fighting back. biggrin

I hear you and have no arguments with your logic.
I've heard some of the same things myself but we have a saying in the USA, an old one, that I adhere to: "I'm from Missouri, Show me!"
Meaning I want to see it with my own eyes. I'm not from Missouri but I agree with their logic.
I'll see for myself, compare to the Intel, and then post what I see and we'll all know and thats know not think. biggrin
I think the fastest chips they have are either 2.3 or 2.6..
Definately worthwhile doing for me with the cpu's and board free and I do have 18-1 gig sticks of DDR3-1333 ECC REG memory here, the PSU to handle that system, case,etc so out of pocket cost is zero to get it running..
As long as it doesn't draw a zillion watts it's cost to build will be way below your numbers! laughing


Can't wait to see the info. When (if there is one) will the NDA be lifted? confused
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

1 thing i am considering is a 4 socket AMD system. With these being real cores instead of HT from intel, with the same speed, would an AMD system come close or beat and intel system?
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On the AMD blog they mention that the Magny Cours has 4 Hypertransport links to build 4 socket systems.
I do not know what is the data channel design of the coming Xeon X56XX series. Dual socket for sure, quad sockets ?
And what about the 8 core Beckton ones. There should be also a X7XXX series with 8 cores coming in the future, at stratospheric prices we can imagine. The dust is far from having settled.
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NDA lifts this week.
I doubt the AMD will pull the MHZ the Intels do.
Beckton arrives soon and 8 cores with HT..
I know what my gut tells me but before opening my big mouth want to see with my own eyes.
The nice thing is I'll be able to compare the two systems in the same house with all the variables reduced as much as humanly possible.
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