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KWSN - A Shrubbery
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

"There is several Jones sisters - this is borderline to me; it should be 'are'."

You managed to hit on one of the more difficult exceptions with this line. I'm still not sure why they call them exceptions because they are more common than examples that follow the rules, but I digress.

In your example, 'there is' links to 'several'; the sisters have nothing to do with the verb and pronoun, they are merely descriptive adjectives. What this means is it should read 'There are' because several is always, always, always plural.

Somewhere exists a list of words that are variously singular and/or plural and many native American speakers simply cannot get them right. I'd have to find my old (not Olde) English textbook to properly list them.


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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

I agree with KWSN. However, your English skills are probably beter than a lot of native speakers. If you make mistakes I think most of know what you mean.

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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

It's versus Its, the Apostrophe S [an album by Frank Zappa too], a refresher course by Grammar Girl: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/apostrophe-1.aspx
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

Had to look it up, after all, it's well near 45 years ago that I held the grammar book on this in me hand... past or passed [best pronounced with London Knightbridge accent, somewhere between the Serpentine and Harrods IIRC, to 'hear' the difference]. Including mini-test:

http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/past_passed.htm
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

Affect and Effect are two words I struggle with, so I try to avoid using them. Cheating I know, but it's easier!

English must be one of the hardest languages to learn as a 2nd language. I'm always impressed when I see people from non-english speaking countries posting in english. Infact, sometimes their english is better than a native english speakers! :)
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A rule I use is that effects come after what affects something, anything. E.g. the effects of the last nights' Cleopatra cyclonic storm at Sardinia were horrible... major flooding from 450mm rain in several hours and 17 fatalities the count is standing at this time. Global warming is affecting more and more people.
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

English is my mother tongue but I regularly find myself referring to the dictionary. The main reason for this is my dislike of "poor English" written by a native speaker. This may make me what has become known as a Grammar Nazi.

I spent some time in Germany many years ago but, although I retain the ability to read that language, I seem to be unable to properly construct a sentence either verbally or written. I admire the efforts of those of you here who do so well with English even when, to you, it is a second language.


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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

One that always bothers me is people tend not to use a possessive pronoun with gerunds. But I almost did something like that here myself until I edited the sentence so it admittedly can be tricky. I had written "people not using a possessive . . ." when I should have written "people's not using a possessive . . . " That sounded too awkward though so I figured I should change it. blushing

For example people will almost always say something like Most of the members paid their dues without me asking them. When in fact it should be 'my' not 'me' in that sentence.

However since language evolves, I suspect that like many other grammar rules, that will slowly change and the incorrect usage will gradually become correct.
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

English is my mother tongue but I regularly find myself referring to the dictionary. The main reason for this is my dislike of "poor English" written by a native speaker. This may make me what has become known as a Grammar Nazi.

I spent some time in Germany many years ago but, although I retain the ability to read that language, I seem to be unable to properly construct a sentence either verbally or written. I admire the efforts of those of you here who do so well with English even when, to you, it is a second language.

I think it's admirable that people keep educating and hammering on the use of proper English, or any language. Since the introduction of forums, text messaging, WhatsApp, Twitter etcetera, correct spelling has taken a turn for the worse. I mean, even punctuation and capitals seem to be gone nowadays. sad
As to learning English as a second language, it's hard not to pick up English as you grow up, unless you don't watch movies, listen to music or use the internet. It's just everywhere in our everyday lives.

P.S.: I'm sure I made some mistakes in this post, but don't blame me, I'm dutch. biggrin
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

English is my mother tongue but I regularly find myself referring to the dictionary. The main reason for this is my dislike of "poor English" written by a native speaker. This may make me what has become known as a Grammar Nazi.

I spent some time in Germany many years ago but, although I retain the ability to read that language, I seem to be unable to properly construct a sentence either verbally or written. I admire the efforts of those of you here who do so well with English even when, to you, it is a second language.


I think it's admirable that people keep educating and hammering on the use of proper English, or any language. Since the introduction of forums, text messaging, WhatsApp, Twitter etcetera, correct spelling has taken a turn for the worse. I mean, even punctuation and capitals seem to be gone nowadays. sad
As to learning English as a second language, it's hard not to pick up English as you grow up, unless you don't watch movies, listen to music or use the internet. It's just everywhere in our everyday lives.

P.S.: I'm sure I made some mistakes in this post, but don't blame me, I'm dutch. biggrin


Ahh, you Dutch folk speak English superbly, with a hint of an american accent though, which I blame on the amount of american TV shows that are broadcast on Dutch TV!

Never met a 'Cloggy' that couldn't speak English :)

I have many happy memories of Venlo & Nijmegan. Hell, I even enjoyed going round the vrije markt in Cuijk every month!
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