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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

BTW, none of my Grammars were English. One was Scottish and one was Irish.
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

Try the "Round Up" book, I was beginning learning grammar with this one. There are like ten these books, and they are numbered by exersices' difficulty level. If it is the start of learning English, choose 1st book, if you use English a lot, but your grammar is "limping", try 3rd or 4th.
For advanced English I used "Mission" books and testbooks for CAE, their "English in Use" section is a revelation!)
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

I just wanted to say : Fags,Faggots and Fannys.
Which, as any fool doth know means; Cigarettes, Meatballs and umm... front lady bits.
How ErickaT navigates around everyones posts is a mystery to me.Especially here in NZ where crap(rubbish) and even twat (idiot) are ok to use in media/polite conversation.!
Every native English speaker should read Bill Brysons MOTHER TONGUE novel, and then maybe they would realise that the grammar and vocabulary of the English language changes constantly, and does not always originate from England.

Edited: for rubbish idiots!(clarity)
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

.... front lady bits.
front lower lady bits.....so we do not confuse them with that species of birds, the tits, bluetits, great tits, coal tits etc! devilish
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

I'm a bit of a twitcher myself Alan.

Its a lovely sight to see a pair of great tits on my fat balls and nutsack. Some birds like the seed too.

I have a lot of trouble keeping the squirrels off though.
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

Irish and Scottish certainly having their own variants, [where was Rab C Nesbitt from?], but lets please curve back to 'your' English language stumble and not explore more stretching of the borderlines [Yes poor ErikaT will otherwise have to invoke the Texas Education Board's New Speak curriculum approved dictionary]

thx.

P.S. English per study is of Turkish origin... even made the BBC news in 2012: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19368988
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

laughing Sorry Rob.

Rab C's character was from over the river clyde in Govan Glasgow.

His wife "Mary doll" in real life Elaine C. Smith, went to the same school as me, and lived just a few houses away form me when she was a child.

So you will know that 'English' is'nt really my first language either. laughing

Ok, back on topic and nae mair messin' aboot.
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Re: Your most frequent English language stumble

My wife is Koran-American. When we got married (over 40 years ago), she still found English difficult sometimes, even though she has a knack for learning foreign languages. She thought a "cemetery" was a "seven-thirty", and she called "Communists" "Combinations".

When we went to Italy, my wife realized Italians liked to bargain over prices (that's a Korean thing too). In a few months, she was speaking fluent Italian (I found that a difficult language).
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P.S. English per study is of Turkish origin... even made the BBC news in 2012: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19368988

That's a pretty cool article, but I'm not sure how much of a distinction there is between the Kurgan and Anatolian hypotheses.

About 4000 years ago is when the Hittites began to take over Anatolia from the Hattic peoples. This is an important distinction because the Hattic language was distinctly non-Indo-European while Hittite was.

However it's not clear where the Hittites came from. It's generally believed that they came from the areas north of the Black and Caspian seas, which, if I read the article correctly, is consistent with the Kurgan hypothesis. Anyway, still fascinating stuff. Here is the relevant quote concerning the Hittites from Wikipedia .
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Map of Indo European migrations from circa 4000 to 1000 BC according to the Kurgan model. The Anatolian migration (indicated with a dotted arrow) could have taken place either across the Caucasus or across the Balkans. The magenta area corresponds to the assumed Urheimat (Samara culture, Sredny Stog culture). The red area corresponds to the area that may have been settled by Indo-European-speaking peoples up to circa 2500 BC, and the orange area by 1000 BC.

Around 5000 BC, the region centered in Hattusa, that would later become the core of the Hittite kingdom, was inhabited by people with a distinct culture who spoke a non-Indo-European language. The name "Hattic" is used by Anatolianists to distinguish this language from the Indo-European Hittite language that appeared on the scene at the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC and became the administrative language of the Hittite kingdom over the next six or seven centuries. As noted above, "Hittite" is a modern convention for referring to this language. The native term was Nesili, i.e. "In the language of Neša".[citation needed]

The early Hittites, whose prior whereabouts are unknown, borrowed heavily from the pre-existing Hattian and Hurrian cultures, and also from that of the Assyrian colonisers — in particular, the cuneiform writing and the use of cylindrical seals.[citation needed]

Since Hattic continued to be used in the Hittite kingdom for religious purposes, and there is substantial continuity between the two cultures, it is not known whether the Hattic speakers — the Hattians— were displaced by the speakers of Hittite, were absorbed by them, or just adopted their language.[citation needed]
Origins

It is generally assumed that the Hittites came into Anatolia some time before 2000 BC.[citation needed] While their earlier location is disputed, there has been strong evidence for more than a century that the home of the Indo-Europeans in the fourth and third millennia was in the Pontic Steppe, present day Ukraine around the Sea of Azov.[citation needed] This is known as the Kurgan Hypothesis.

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