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damir1978
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Re: New Beta badges awarded

To the guys with higher Beta badges
- You should give others a chance ... I did yesterday the trick with the Intermittent jobs and I got 63 Betas in 3 hours just enough to get my Bronze Badge but I got out of "Intermittent trick" in order to let others have their chance to a Bronze. There is no point in having higher Badges on Beta, it does not bring glory but rather shame. Shame of not thinking of others.
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Re: New Beta badges awarded

To the guys with higher Beta badges
- You should give others a chance ... I did yesterday the trick with the Intermittent jobs and I got 63 Betas in 3 hours just enough to get my Bronze Badge but I got out of "Intermittent trick" in order to let others have their chance to a Bronze. There is no point in having higher Badges on Beta, it does not bring glory but rather shame. Shame of not thinking of others.


Absolutely, I'll second that idea cool

I also used the "intermittent" trick and I managed to get hold of 13 WU's. I'll still only be on 11 days' though crying and once I've got my Bronze, I won't be using that "trick" again - I'll just take my chances.
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Re: New Beta badges awarded

To the guys with higher Beta badges
- You should give others a chance ...[snip]


I've seen this suggestion before, and it didn't have any effect on the 'badgers' then, either.

Grabbing as many work units as can be processed before the deadline or "Server Aborted!" takes them doesn't hurt or disadvantage anyone (more-importantly, it apparently doesn't hurt the testing process), so appealing to their sympathies is not likely to sway badgers.

It's similar to asking those with multiple i7 machines to turn off half their cores because you have only a dual-core CPU and want a chance to catch up. :-|
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Re: New Beta badges awarded

To the guys with higher Beta badges
- You should give others a chance ...[snip]


I've seen this suggestion before, and it didn't have any effect on the 'badgers' then, either.

Grabbing as many work units as can be processed before the deadline or "Server Aborted!" takes them doesn't hurt or disadvantage anyone (more-importantly, it apparently doesn't hurt the testing process), so appealing to their sympathies is not likely to sway badgers.

It's similar to asking those with multiple i7 machines to turn off half their cores because you have only a dual-core CPU and want a chance to catch up. :-|


Actually, I disagree with you. By grabbing (say) 300+ WU's to run through the 1 i7 machine, doesn't really prove a whole lot - except that 300+ WU's will run on that one set-up. Whereas, running 300+ WU's on 300+ different machines/OS's/settings/versions etc., etc., etc., checks/confirms that when a project goes live, that there's less of a chance that any further issues will come out of the woodwork. After all, what really is the point of Beta testing - to get a higher badge, or to test the WU's out on as many different machines as possible? - and yes, that does include running several WU's on an i7 configuration.

Please don't get me wrong, if someone has 20+ machines, then they should have a far higher chance of catching a Beta WU (or several), than someone who has just 1 or 2 machines - and thus, the person who has numerous machines, quite rightly will have higher Beta badges than those who don't. This also goes for the live projects - someone who has 1 or more top of the range machines available to them, quite rightly should be aiming for the topmost badges, whilst those with 1 dual-core machine, will set themselves more realistic goals (i.e., reaching Gold in all the available projects) biggrin

What I've noticed though, whilst these Beta WU's have been circulating, is the number of WU's from the live projects, that are going past their deadline - and thus, extra repair WU's are required crying

All I'm basically saying, is please don't loose sight of what we're really here for - crunching for science, not the badges cool
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Re: New Beta badges awarded

To the guys with higher Beta badges
- You should give others a chance ... I did yesterday the trick with the Intermittent jobs and I got 63 Betas in 3 hours just enough to get my Bronze Badge but I got out of "Intermittent trick" in order to let others have their chance to a Bronze. There is no point in having higher Badges on Beta, it does not bring glory but rather shame. Shame of not thinking of others.



Damir.
As you see I have a gold badge and believe me it has been hard won and I am proud of it.

Like most people I used to have just one machine, but over time have added 12 more solely for crunching (a diverse range of single and dual core). This represents a significant commitment of both time and money (capital and operating), the only reward for this investment being personal satisfaction measured by points, time, badges and scientific advancement.

Yes I have used the intermittent trick - and have also voluntarily refrained from doing so at times. However I have not been greedy and been left with work going past due time, or any other deficiencies.
I learnt about it a long time ago as a result of many many hours of reading the forum archives to better understand the grid workings and therefore get the best productivity out of my investment in crunching.
Just as I learnt it, so could you and everyone else. It has been posted for who knows how long and publicly available. I have also seen it openly discussed on a number of occasions - last time was I think in November. Because others may not have bothered or been sufficiently engaged to do the same learning, does not make me (or others) selfish as you imply. No, there is no shame due at all.

And for what it's worth the intermittent trick is not the only one available. If that were not available I could still get as many WU's as I want - and to find out how, I respectfully suggest reading the archives at great length.

Also remember that risks are inherent with testing. I lost some 50hrs last week when some C type units arrived and started "high priority" unexpectedly, which crashed a running A type due to page file limitations. No time nor points awarded for the A type and I accept that as just tough luck. Beta testing is no free ride for anyone. My higher level of participation inherently leads to higher risk of such losses - a price I'm happy to pay.

I wish you (and all others) well in your Beta badge hunt and sincerely hope you achieve as much satisfaction from it as I have from mine. Use whatever tools you have available to you in whatever way you see fit, but please refrain from derogatory suggestions about those who have used the tools which you are now using.
I will continue to contribute in any way I can, including testing.

Yours in crunching,
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Re: New Beta badges awarded

To the guys with higher Beta badges
- You should give others a chance ... I did yesterday the trick with the Intermittent jobs and I got 63 Betas in 3 hours just enough to get my Bronze Badge but I got out of "Intermittent trick" in order to let others have their chance to a Bronze. There is no point in having higher Badges on Beta, it does not bring glory but rather shame. Shame of not thinking of others.
WOW. You begrudge me crunching 675 Beta WU when I have contributed 46K WU. I am putting away 79 WU per day for over 1.5 years, and yes Ruby Beta is a goal for me. My biggest day recently was 34:19 days, 67K points, 220WU. I feel no shame for doing what I can to help. When the Techs have the time to create the 5 and 10 years badges, like many others, I will get acknowledgement for the contribution I have made (as you already have from the existing badges).

ps: Even if I had not crunched a single Beta WU, you would only have a 1 in 100 chance to have been given a single .9 hour Beta WU from me. WOW
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It is not begrudging. It is a simple matter of principle. Different people live upon different principles. My principle is to Achieve and let others achieve.

If we put this in real life equation it is like trying to get a Visa to some country and having 100.000 people behind you trying to get the same Visa. There are VIP Visa and Normal Visa. A VIP Visa will count as 100 Visa that will be cut from the Main Bulk of Visas.
So whoever take a VIP Visa destroy the chances of 99 people behind him.
It is a shame to do this? Yes, depending on what kind of principles guides your life.
It is not a shame? No, depending on what kind of principles guides your life.

Like I said, it is a matter of principle and NO, NOT all principles have the same value as it is NOT a world of relative truths. Principles have different value depending on the level of satisfaction for as many people as possible.
Less people are satisfied by your principle? Don't brag with that Principle.

As I see it, less people will receive Beta Award because they are not allowed their fair share of Betas. Beta being something very very hard to find... aiming beyond Bronze is not fair for others. Remember the word... Others.

Of course... you can always say: go to **** with your principle... This is your privilege but it should not make you proud. On the contrary.

And derogatory content is ok... when serves many others well being.

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Okey folks , this is getting personal , kindly stop this kind of posts


Ask for your good understanding



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Okey folks , this is getting personal , kindly stop this kind of posts


Ask for your good understanding



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seriously! These badges were created to provide motivation, but it seems to have worked all too well!
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The intermittent trick has become all to pervasive. Time to return to active science project box selection mandatory.
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