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Goddard is, well superficial is I think an understatement and his readership? 0.3%, of which the planet only absorbs about half and declining i.e 0.15% annual added to the atmosphere. Then after 10 years 1.5% is added, then another 10 years 3% is added, then after 100 years 15% is added, just by the US of A, who consume with 4.5% of the world population almost 25% of the globally burned energy. The point is marysduby, the effective residence time of CO2 once it has entered the active cycle is from hundreds to possibly 10,000 or more years. I'm sure evolution will take care, with or without humans.

Leading by example... nay, that would be a hopeless expectation when it comes to preserving the environment we live in. Thing is, pollution does not stop at anyone's border. We're all in that same boat and there's a hole in the hull.
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Still weeding out the rogues

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/FAEL.html

22,22,22,20,-43,20


Minus 43C? biggrin

I'm almost there

On the last pass 2770 stations made the grade Min -16C Max 41C average global temp from the working known weather stations in the NOAA record 15.34C

Now I just need to get back into work so I can afford to get the server co-located.
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Sek here's a challenge

Could you explain why you think where we find ourselves today, midway between the min and max values, is extraordinary?

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png

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You can throw as many air balloons as you like David. Half way what Jaxa has recorded in min / max since 2002 when decline was already well on it's way (that grand omission bit again acting up). So do the good readers favor and match your story of ''recovery" up with a longer record... 3-4-5 times standard deviation, and that in 2D:



How far removed is that current curve from the minimum-maximum measure you think?

Here's 3D, the volumetric bit, based on stacks of data from people with a few notches up on the IQ ladder:



Got a explanation for the massive disparity between 2D, that flimsy thin ice compared to what there used to be not so long ago and today's 3D?

Try throwing something that sticks... manure of any kind... at least the planet would benefit from that since plants are getting too much CO2 and too little of the rest, so farmers have to supplement... of which most ends up in run-off into lakes and seas and oceans where the DEADZONES are expanding and still wheat has lost 8% of it's nutritional value. Now THAT is what you have to explain. How come?

Keep weeding... astrolab gave you a little pointer on spacial considerations that need to be applied and a whole slew of other facts before you can even start to scratch the surface. Leave it to the pros.
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Why Energy Efficiency Does not Decrease Energy Consumption-- http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/2010/09/why_energy_efficiency_does_not.shtml
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Sek the data is straight from the pro's

This is the very same data that goes into CRU GISS and NCDC

Data like this !!!

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/CWEF.html go figure 99C made it into the METAR - 011840Z AUTO 99/M01 A3211 RMK AO1 T09931007 57002

I'm still weeding


2756 made the latest cut

It will be 2755 next time around

As for your Sea Ice there is only 2D data, as I keep on saying, CryoSat-2 is still in it's shake down phase http://www.esa.int/esaLP/LPcryosat.html

There isn't currently any 3D data.

CryoSat-2 will be just in time to watch the Sea Ice returning year on year wink

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Sek you keep saying our wheat is 8% less nutritious because of the additional CO2

Which should be making more Glucose as CO2 becomes more bioavailable. So the claim is counter-intuitive.

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

Are you really saying that there are 8% less calories gramme for gramme of wheat than there was when I was a Kid and this decrease is directly as a result of the atmospheric CO2 increase?

How much more productive are wheat fields per acre than they were when I was a kid? Are we getting more nutrition per acre of Land?

Or 8% less?
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Think you should start by putting loads more soda in the laundry and check that your collar is whiter than white. You're not answering the question whilst you throw "misleading" around like confetti. What you present and peddle is exactly that.
Could you explain why you think where we find ourselves today, midway between the min and max values, is extraordinary?

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png


Got an answer to:



So what about the 8% nutritional value reduction due CO2 increases in the atmosphere that are going to stay there for a very long time. Got an answer?

We're doing it like we've done it to many past multi millennial, ages long constants. What about the Deadzones? What action do you propose to thwart of Oceanic Death? Got an Answer?

No, you never have.
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