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Re: New projects to come?

Some thoughts after reading this thread.
What I think is missed here is the many motives people bring with them when they "crunch"
I'll just talk from my own perspective and maybe some of you feel the same.
What started me way way back in SETI( when it was the only DC app) was a competitive nature and a desire to put my "monster" 700mhz slot A AMD system to work.(This is 2001)
I figured I'd help find ET if he exists and have a little fun at the same time.
Skip forward a few years to 2005
I'd gotten VERY involved in high end computing and discovered folding at home. Tried it, didn't care for it for personal reasons but I wanted a way to help the next generation live healthier lives and that little kid who loved competition still existed inside the rapidly aging body.
Then in November 2005 I found XtremeSystems.
It was like finding a world full of people that thought the same as I did in terms of high end computing but they weren't very big into the DC apps as a whole. A small percentage were and those that were are some of the most intense DC people you will find.
I found a home and tried to motivate others there to do the DC work. All I'll say on the guys and ladies there is that there are some of the best people you will ever meet and thats no bull.

The "trying to help" is the main motivator and the reason for doing this but also there are the competitions, the friendships with excellent people and yes, I feed my desire to work with high end machines.
It is all of these factors that keep me involved but they have to be seen in perspective.
Badges are nice but not the reason to do this.
Would I like to see my FAAH badge show that I've put XX years into that particular app? Sure, but not to the point that it really matters to me.
I guess what I'm trying to get across is "Don't sweat the small stuff" my friends.
Take a relaxed look at all the side issues and keep focused on the main point of getting the work done in the least amount of time.
Thanks for reading.
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Re: New projects to come?

Some thoughts after reading this thread.
What I think is missed here is the many motives people bring with them when they "crunch"
I'll just talk from my own perspective and maybe some of you feel the same.
What started me way way back in SETI( when it was the only DC app) was a competitive nature and a desire to put my "monster" 700mhz slot A AMD system to work.(This is 2001)
I figured I'd help find ET if he exists and have a little fun at the same time.
Skip forward a few years to 2005
I'd gotten VERY involved in high end computing and discovered folding at home. Tried it, didn't care for it for personal reasons but I wanted a way to help the next generation live healthier lives and that little kid who loved competition still existed inside the rapidly aging body.
Then in November 2005 I found XtremeSystems.
It was like finding a world full of people that thought the same as I did in terms of high end computing but they weren't very big into the DC apps as a whole. A small percentage were and those that were are some of the most intense DC people you will find.
I found a home and tried to motivate others there to do the DC work. All I'll say on the guys and ladies there is that there are some of the best people you will ever meet and thats no bull.

The "trying to help" is the main motivator and the reason for doing this but also there are the competitions, the friendships with excellent people and yes, I feed my desire to work with high end machines.
It is all of these factors that keep me involved but they have to be seen in perspective.
Badges are nice but not the reason to do this.
Would I like to see my FAAH badge show that I've put XX years into that particular app? Sure, but not to the point that it really matters to me.
I guess what I'm trying to get across is "Don't sweat the small stuff" my friends.
Take a relaxed look at all the side issues and keep focused on the main point of getting the work done in the least amount of time.
Thanks for reading.

well said,
thanks movieman
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Re: New projects to come?

@ Movieman....

Great post...agreed and
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Ingleside,
The whole point of introducing the badges was so all the "normal users", the roughly 70% of users that runs WCG on a single computer that is either single-core or dual-core, and has no hope of ever reaching top-10k by points, also should get some recognition for their long-term committment to WCG.

What is a NORMAL USER in the Ingleside Dictionary?
I bet you just pulled that 70% out of the air!
Gibber, backed by pseudo quantification and made up statistics – I’m glad you are not trying to argue for my proposal.
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Re: New projects to come?

Though he makes mistakes and more than he'd like to acknowledge, he makes less than others, so bet you he spend time in coming up with that number ;>)

No this is pseudo quantification from observation, but I do know that WCG numbers are A typical of BOINC wide numbers though. Only when you know the numbers can you talk to the numbers, and I talk allot laughing
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damir1978,
there is a problem with awarding Badges based on workunits

Totally agree.
Workunit size varies greatly.

Some people already choose small sized work units so that their stats will display more completed work units and make them look like they have contributed more than they actually have.
The present system further encourages this apathetic state by identically awarding great success, moderate success and limited success in terms of work actually done.

The badge system should be based on the points system, rather than on how slowly you can complete a task, how slow your computer is, or how reluctant you are to buy a fast computer.
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Re: New projects to come?

But that was not the object of the badges, skgiven. Don't anticipate there to ever be a change what badges represent up or down.

We honor the small and the great. The great through the daily/cumulative ordered to size member contributions where the top 5000 find their spotlight and to get onto that list you need presently more than

Time 6:316:00:08:30
Results 8,521
Points 3,980,283

Any Q6600 does this in a year for points.

And for all there will be the certificates wence they find implementation. For the remainder, refer to movieman's sentiments on this topic.
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Col323 & Sekerob,
The i7 is a bit of an exception rather than the rule.
It is true you can get to Blue in 95 days, but this is because badges are rewarded due to how many threads your system has, and how long it is running.
Unfortunately it takes no account of how much work you actually do (best described by the points system).
So if you use an i7 with the clock reduced (power options set to Power Saver), you will be rewarded with more or better badges than someone running an over clocked Phenom II 965, and doing significantly more work, despite only having 4 threads.
In effect the WCG is encouraging people to either stick to their old systems or buy top end Intel processors, but not AMD CPUs!
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Unfortunately it takes no account of how much work you actually do (best described by the points system).


Right. So if you need that infurmation, use the point system, not the badges...

So if you use an i7 with the clock reduced (power options set to Power Saver), you will be rewarded with more or better badges than someone running an over clocked Phenom II 965, and doing significantly more work, despite only having 4 threads.


But you are rewarded with a cheaper power bill... :-)

In effect the WCG is encouraging people to either stick to their old systems or buy top end Intel processors, but not AMD CPUs!


I can't imagine that any normal user will buy a new computer only because of WCG badges.
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I dont think anybody actually NEEDS a badge, and wanting a badge is not the same thing.

If you want a lower electric bill, turn your computer off!

There is no such thing as a NORMAL user!
If there was, would they even contribute to the WCG?
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